Big Win for the NRA!!!

[baker5150]

I really like the words of "common sense." Its such a polarizing word to make "people" or politicians feel good about taking rights away

"Common Sense" is a term used to make those who oppose seam less intelligent.  As if they have no "common sense".

It's tactic used by the anti's in literally every thing they spew, yet, they avoid using "common sense" when it comes to fact checking.

[Igor]

So you think a 12 year old should be able to walk into any gun store with money they got for Christmases/birthdays and buy any gun they have available, with no restrictions, or any way to prove that they are not going to go home and shoot themselves or someone else? Anyone willing to sell guns to a kid under 18 years old in my opinion is irresponsible at best, or criminally negligent at worst. We have restrictions on the first amendment as well, for example it has been ruled that yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater is not protected speech, nor is making threats.

Personally I consider myself a libertarian and believe less is better when it comes to laws, however I also think that common sense should come into play when deciding what should/should not be legal though.

Careful now. That kind of critical thinking is going to get you labeled a lib. Best just go with the crowd and blow up your Yeti cooler or whatever else you have to do to be a "good 2A guy."

The training thing is a solution without a problem. Are we seeing multiple shootings happening because people aren't trained?

That's ridiculous. People accidentally shoot themselves all the time. Youtube has hundreds of videos of it.

For the record, I agree with you. I don't think there should be training requirements or "safe storage" requirements for owning a gun. But I've also be around ranges my whole life and can say definitively that a significant portion of gun owners are completely unqualified to safely use the weapons they own.

The same can be said for autos and household knives, there are accidents everyday, where's the legislation to outlaw them?

I've always thought that the car argument was dangerous territory for 2nd Amendment advocates. There are dozens of federal regulations, forced under duress, onto the auto industry that quantifiably make the car you drive every day, safer. Things like airbags, seatbelts, crumple zones, break-away engine mounts, the little glow in the dark tab that lets you escape if you ever accidentally get locked in your own trunk. Your vehicle is federally mandated that in order to be sold in the US, it has to be able to support twice its own weight on its roof.

Would anyone argue that a 1970 model of anything is safer than a car built today?

Cars and guns are absolutely not the same thing and shouldn't be treated as such. But "people die in cars too" is such a rote argument to gun control and it always made me cringe because the comparison really doesn't run in our favor.

Do you have to have a license to buy a car ??  No !!!

Do you have to pass a background check to buy a car ??  No !!

Do you have to have a license to drive a car on your own property ??  No !!

Are there any age restrictions on buying a car ??  Not that I'm aware of !!

[magnanimous_j]

More regulations does not necessarily equal a safer product.  It's the end users responsibility to use said product in a safe manner.

I agree with you. And there are industry regulations on guns that make them safer. Things like drop tests and metallurgy requirements and whatnot.

My point was that I've never liked comparing guns to other things in terms of "dangerous-ness." It isn't the same. If a particular car is dangerous, then it's a bad car and SHOULD be pulled off the market or regulated out. A gun is not the same thing. A gun is a weapon. It's supposed to be dangerous. That's its whole purpose.

Every living thing has evolved a survival strategy along the way. Strong, big, fast, armored, venomous, aggressive, camouflage, etc etc. Humans survive because we are intelligent enough to make tools. We've put all our eggs in that basket. Without the tools to collect food, we couldn't feed ourselves much beyond starvation. We'd be like raccoons, but raccoons that are failures.

To me, the gun control argument has never been about how much more or less a gun is dangerous than a motorcycle or a trampoline. It's about who is allowed to control the use of weapons, which as a species with a tool-dependent survival strategy, is just as vital to us as a scorpion's stinger and exoskeleton.

[wafisherman]

It's about who is allowed to control the use of weapons

Fortunately, the 2nd Amendment makes that pretty clear.   

[Hi-Liter]

WA state Supreme Court just ruled to put initiative 1639 back on the ballot for November.

[bornhunter]

Gee whiz batman, how did that happen? Oh yeah, its the state of Washington. Again, how predidctable was that?

[Fl0und3rz]

[JimmyHoffa]

yeah, no surprise at the state level; and shows how important to get the right justices in the top court should it make it that far.

[Lucky1]

 
That’s depressing. It will more tan likely pass too. The unconstitutional parts will have to be litigated afterward. The legal system will make more money.
I sure hope the US Senate confirms a bunch of federal judges that Trump has appointed. That should help us keep our rights.

[luckyman]

Not a surprise.

[pianoman9701]

I hope it holds up under appeal. We have a pretty liberal SC.

I hate being right about this one but our state government only follows the law when it aligns with their agenda, including the completely liberalized SC. It's disgusting how they're above the law. It's representative of liberal judges across the nation. It'll now go to the 9th Circuit. Lots of luck there, too. 

[Fl0und3rz]

Our state SC judges are elected.   Vote, people.

[JimSR.]

Our state SC judges are elected.   Vote, people.

This right here is the downfall of any rights that we have left in Washington.
A lot of hunters and gun owners do not vote, they just want to be left alone to live life in pursuit of happiness. I've got news for everybody that ain't going to happen nowadays there's always going to be some liberal that's going to put a stick in your back.
Get ready to start talking to anybody and everybody about this so they can pass it on and so on. This is our fight and no organization, not the NRA nor SAF is going to save our rights.