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Re: License suspensions
« Reply #60 on: September 28, 2018, 11:41:31 AM »
Ive never had a problem with any game warden or police officer either. I never mind pulling out my license and am happy to be checked. I'm a bit of a pessimist and guilty of anticipating bad things happening, though most of the time my worries do not come true.

I think the game wardens are spread too thin and wish the state would employ more of them. I think it would  help deter people from keeping more then their legal limit of fish or game and I also think it might help deter break ins at trailheads etc..

Off topic, funny or just kind of weird story. A couple winters ago when it snowed a whole bunch I made the stupid decision the morning after a heavy snowfall to check on the roads and go over to my elderly parents place and the farm. I had no business being on the the road . I made it over to the farm and decided to blitz up the driveway with as much speed as possible to clear the snowdrifts  :dunno: 30 feet in i get stuck. I go to digging out and not more then a minute later a game warden in a 4wd f150 pulls up. I'VE NEVER SEEN A GAME WARDEN IN ALL MY LIFE on our county road. We asses I'm screwed and then he offers up to pull me out with a tow rope he had behind the seat. Job done, I thank the friendly young man and proceed to head home.

I wish I would have gotten his name so I could write a thankyou note to WDFW and to let them know what a decent guy I thought he was.

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Re: License suspensions
« Reply #61 on: September 28, 2018, 12:24:25 PM »
Perhaps there is an exception, but LEOs don’t write and enact laws. No LEO decided lead shot should be illegal for waterfowl. No LEO decided a Discover Pass is required to access DNR land. LEOs didn’t make helmet laws.

LEOs are charged with enforcing laws they didn’t have any part of creating. It’s their duty and obligation to enforce them, with some discretion allowed in certain instances. If they don’t enforce the laws that were written by someone else, even if they don’t agree with them, they are derelict in their duties.

I have no doubt some LEOs are heavy handed. I can honestly say that I don’t recall ever meeting one in a span of many decades of hunting and fishing in Washington, other states, and other countries. Maybe I’m lucky; I don’t know.

When the number of some game animals killed illegally is estimated to be the same as those killed legally, it’s understandable that some LEO encounters may appear to be harsh but that’s doesn’t mean they weren’t justified.


The only place I've ever been approached by any WDFW LEO was out on the sound in a boat, and it was because we weren't paying attention to the time fishing the Bubble. It closed at noon and it was after noon. We were clearly not paying attention, they gave us a warning and we pulled our gear.
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Re: License suspensions
« Reply #62 on: October 02, 2018, 02:02:16 AM »
Today I sent a formal appeal thru my attorney. I will receive a hearing date and get to plead my case. The infractions I received was 1) - fishing for salmon without a punchcard. I’ll had nothing in the boat, was holding a net ready to net my sons fish, and was unable to find my card which was in fact on the boat that I found after they left. 2)- no plug in my shotgun. I had one in the gun , but it had broken(wood piece)and the officer was able to fit 3 shells in. 3) - retaining a Black Sea bass while fishing in area 4 during a halibut opener in water deeper than 20 fathoms. I was in 140 ‘ apparently. Now I admit to these oversites, mistakes, and forgetfulness. However, none of these infractions I feel are worthy of a suspension. None are intentional, none are premeditated offenses, and none should be considered criminal convictions that now label me because I paid my fine without contesting and a hearing. My understanding was a infraction could be paid, and would not go towards a suspension as mentioned on page 86 in blue lettering of the 2018 hunting reg book.
why didn't you fight them to begin with as BIGTEX so plainly makes a point on?
1. you found it and weren't actually fishing shouldn't have gave you a ticket.
2. you still had the plug, unless you knew then...? But those two I think you should of never been cited for.
3. Maybe But have no clue on those rules so....?
Wish you luck unlike others on here. :tup:
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Re: License suspensions
« Reply #63 on: October 02, 2018, 06:54:14 AM »
Today I sent a formal appeal thru my attorney. I will receive a hearing date and get to plead my case. The infractions I received was 1) - fishing for salmon without a punchcard. I’ll had nothing in the boat, was holding a net ready to net my sons fish, and was unable to find my card which was in fact on the boat that I found after they left. 2)- no plug in my shotgun. I had one in the gun , but it had broken(wood piece)and the officer was able to fit 3 shells in. 3) - retaining a Black Sea bass while fishing in area 4 during a halibut opener in water deeper than 20 fathoms. I was in 140 ‘ apparently. Now I admit to these oversites, mistakes, and forgetfulness. However, none of these infractions I feel are worthy of a suspension. None are intentional, none are premeditated offenses, and none should be considered criminal convictions that now label me because I paid my fine without contesting and a hearing. My understanding was a infraction could be paid, and would not go towards a suspension as mentioned on page 86 in blue lettering of the 2018 hunting reg book.
why didn't you fight them to begin with as BIGTEX so plainly makes a point on?
1. you found it and weren't actually fishing shouldn't have gave you a ticket.
2. you still had the plug, unless you knew then...? But those two I think you should of never been cited for.
3. Maybe But have no clue on those rules so....?
Wish you luck unlike others on here. :tup:

Quite a few of us have wished him good luck in getting the suspension reversed.
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Re: License suspensions
« Reply #64 on: October 02, 2018, 07:37:53 AM »
To the OP, best of luck you sound like a stand up guy. 

BT, thanks for your insight, I have never received a citation for anything other than traffic related.  However, reading this thread I now would contest it.

Can you answer this if the OP was only netting a fish and did not have a line in how could he have been cited?   I am guessing he was fishing but that wasn't mentioned.  I ask because sometimes I will take our son who has special needs out and he will net my fish. 2 in the boat 1 fishing and 1 netting.  However, I always have extra rods/reels/tackle in the boat but there would only have been 1 line in the water at any time.

My gamecop stories are pretty positive.  back when the S rivers were open for the C&R season I lived in Oregon.  I was had just released and nice Steelhead on the fly and a GC came down and asked me how things were going. I told her great, I had just released a nice fish.... She checked me and smiled, then asked me about the family plunking below me in the tail out. I said I see them down there but hadn't really see them move.   It ended up it was a dad with two girls fishing eggs and barbed hooks.  She gave the dad a stern warning and told them to get legal or go.   I was shocked she didn't write them up, but this was 20years ago. 

Overall the guys in the field do a great job.

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Re: License suspensions
« Reply #65 on: October 02, 2018, 08:55:57 PM »
Today I sent a formal appeal thru my attorney. I will receive a hearing date and get to plead my case. The infractions I received was 1) - fishing for salmon without a punchcard. I’ll had nothing in the boat, was holding a net ready to net my sons fish, and was unable to find my card which was in fact on the boat that I found after they left. 2)- no plug in my shotgun. I had one in the gun , but it had broken(wood piece)and the officer was able to fit 3 shells in. 3) - retaining a Black Sea bass while fishing in area 4 during a halibut opener in water deeper than 20 fathoms. I was in 140 ‘ apparently. Now I admit to these oversites, mistakes, and forgetfulness. However, none of these infractions I feel are worthy of a suspension. None are intentional, none are premeditated offenses, and none should be considered criminal convictions that now label me because I paid my fine without contesting and a hearing. My understanding was a infraction could be paid, and would not go towards a suspension as mentioned on page 86 in blue lettering of the 2018 hunting reg book.
why didn't you fight them to begin with as BIGTEX so plainly makes a point on?
1. you found it and weren't actually fishing shouldn't have gave you a ticket.
2. you still had the plug, unless you knew then...? But those two I think you should of never been cited for.
3. Maybe But have no clue on those rules so....?
Wish you luck unlike others on here. :tup:

Quite a few of us have wished him good luck in getting the suspension reversed.
yeah I get that. :sry: :tup:
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