Wolves in granite

[Cylvertip]

They look pretty well fed.  Won't be surprised if they belong to someone in the area.  That being said, there is a whole lot of nothin between here and the East side.  I've seen large canine tracks while winter wheeling between here and Darington.  They were many miles away from anything.  Nothing will surprise me.  Better get the trail cams back on the beaver bait station I guess.

[wolfbait]

P-man wrote: I'll be happy to concede the point and will be on the front lines confronting the WDFW. Until that time, these are wild and unproven conspiracy theories that would've taken the cooperation of several agencies and scores of government employees willing to break the law. If it doesn't make sense it didn't happen."

How you feeling P-man? I see you have some of your color back..

Here's a little more info. for you about the agencies involved in so called "conspiracy theories".


https://montanapioneer.com/non-native-wolves-illegally-introduced-says-whistleblower-2/

Non Native Wolves Illegally  Introduced, Says Whistleblower

Former USFWS Official Speaks of Malfeasance, Misappropriated Funds, and Transplanting Wrong Subspecies to Yellowstone



IDFG Continues to Deny It Violated Idaho Law

http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/georgeDovel/The%20Outdoorsman%20No%2039%20May%202010-IDFG%20Continues%20to%20Deny.pdf


Idaho F&G Director Warns F&G Commission Not to Show Controversial Wolf Documents to Public

http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/George%20Dovel/The%20Outdoorsman%20No%20%2038%20Feb-April%202010%20IDFG%20Director%20Warns%20%20Commission%20.pdf


New Revelations about Reintroduced Wolves
http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/georgeDovel/The%20Outdoorsman%20No%20%2034%20April-May%202009.pdf

I think P-Man's point was that you've posted no evidence of wolves being re-introduced into Washington.

Do you have ANY evidence of wolf relocations into Washington?

I don't give the Government enough credit to think they could do it without evidence leaking out.

I guess you didn't read any of the links I posted, if you had you would have seen that the "USFWS etc. did a fine job on the illegal end of releasing wolves etc.. But somehow P-man doesn't believe WDFW would be a part of anything illegal. Amazing.

Tell me again about the first wolf pack in 70 years.

I don't need anymore proof then I already have, but I got to thinking about how the USFWS, WDFW, and CNW couldn't get their DNA story straight as to where the lookout pack came from. I went through some info. I had on the pack from 2009 etc. and found some info that stated that the Methow wolves came from Minnesota. Now that would be one heck of a long migration wouldn't it? I wonder what a FOIA request would reveal as to the lookout packs DNA origin?

[pianoman9701]

P-man wrote: I'll be happy to concede the point and will be on the front lines confronting the WDFW. Until that time, these are wild and unproven conspiracy theories that would've taken the cooperation of several agencies and scores of government employees willing to break the law. If it doesn't make sense it didn't happen."

How you feeling P-man? I see you have some of your color back..

Here's a little more info. for you about the agencies involved in so called "conspiracy theories".


https://montanapioneer.com/non-native-wolves-illegally-introduced-says-whistleblower-2/

Non Native Wolves Illegally  Introduced, Says Whistleblower

Former USFWS Official Speaks of Malfeasance, Misappropriated Funds, and Transplanting Wrong Subspecies to Yellowstone



IDFG Continues to Deny It Violated Idaho Law

http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/georgeDovel/The%20Outdoorsman%20No%2039%20May%202010-IDFG%20Continues%20to%20Deny.pdf


Idaho F&G Director Warns F&G Commission Not to Show Controversial Wolf Documents to Public

http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/George%20Dovel/The%20Outdoorsman%20No%20%2038%20Feb-April%202010%20IDFG%20Director%20Warns%20%20Commission%20.pdf


New Revelations about Reintroduced Wolves
http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/georgeDovel/The%20Outdoorsman%20No%20%2034%20April-May%202009.pdf

I think P-Man's point was that you've posted no evidence of wolves being re-introduced into Washington.

Do you have ANY evidence of wolf relocations into Washington?

I don't give the Government enough credit to think they could do it without evidence leaking out.

Please don't feed the trolls. 

[jackelope]

They look pretty well fed.  Won't be surprised if they belong to someone in the area.  That being said, there is a whole lot of nothin between here and the East side.  I've seen large canine tracks while winter wheeling between here and Darington.  They were many miles away from anything.  Nothing will surprise me.  Better get the trail cams back on the beaver bait station I guess.

@Cylvertip
I've heard talk of someone who owns some wolf dogs or maybe a rescue or something along those lines out there?

[KFhunter]

I would love for a WDFW person to explain how call ins work.

Generally speaking, this is how reports work:
<snip>
Hope this helps.

yes, thank you.   

I hope you don't think I was bagging on WDFW for how call in sightings are handled,  I was more bagging on people who don't know the difference between a horse or a cougar and call it in. 

I know it would be difficult to sort through because everyone KNOWS what they seen!



There's plenty of other things to bag on WDFW for 

[Dan-o]

P-man wrote: I'll be happy to concede the point and will be on the front lines confronting the WDFW. Until that time, these are wild and unproven conspiracy theories that would've taken the cooperation of several agencies and scores of government employees willing to break the law. If it doesn't make sense it didn't happen."

How you feeling P-man? I see you have some of your color back..

Here's a little more info. for you about the agencies involved in so called "conspiracy theories".


https://montanapioneer.com/non-native-wolves-illegally-introduced-says-whistleblower-2/

Non Native Wolves Illegally  Introduced, Says Whistleblower

Former USFWS Official Speaks of Malfeasance, Misappropriated Funds, and Transplanting Wrong Subspecies to Yellowstone



IDFG Continues to Deny It Violated Idaho Law

http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/georgeDovel/The%20Outdoorsman%20No%2039%20May%202010-IDFG%20Continues%20to%20Deny.pdf


Idaho F&G Director Warns F&G Commission Not to Show Controversial Wolf Documents to Public

http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/George%20Dovel/The%20Outdoorsman%20No%20%2038%20Feb-April%202010%20IDFG%20Director%20Warns%20%20Commission%20.pdf


New Revelations about Reintroduced Wolves
http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/georgeDovel/The%20Outdoorsman%20No%20%2034%20April-May%202009.pdf

I think P-Man's point was that you've posted no evidence of wolves being re-introduced into Washington.

Do you have ANY evidence of wolf relocations into Washington?

I don't give the Government enough credit to think they could do it without evidence leaking out.

I guess you didn't read any of the links I posted, if you had you would have seen that the "USFWS etc. did a fine job on the illegal end of releasing wolves etc.. But somehow P-man doesn't believe WDFW would be a part of anything illegal. Amazing.

Tell me again about the first wolf pack in 70 years.

I don't need anymore proof then I already have, but I got to thinking about how the USFWS, WDFW, and CNW couldn't get their DNA story straight as to where the lookout pack came from. I went through some info. I had on the pack from 2009 etc. and found some info that stated that the Methow wolves came from Minnesota. Now that would be one heck of a long migration wouldn't it? I wonder what a FOIA request would reveal as to the lookout packs DNA origin?

OK, so no proof that WDFW has ever relocated a wolf illegally.   

That's what I thought.

Thanks.

That being the case, hunters really should band together for a solution that isn't based in conspiracy theory.

[Vine Maples and Cottonwoo]

Thanks WolfBait, for the Links. I read the 3rd one. Very interesting, very concerning. Not hard to see the same thing taking place within our State, and within WDFW and the WAG/Commission. In fact, after reading this Link, its not at all difficult to see similar things taking place here, and in fact, one wonders if we are being managed similarly, or have been for some time. I'm thinking; Deliberately being Managed into a Predator Pit. One thing I find interesting, and worth pondering, is that Hebblewhite would advocate for wolves, though he has studied/seen, first hand, the effect on ungulate populations. Strange. I read a book some years ago, about the Yellowstone wolf recovery, where it was said that the plan for recovery of wolves dates back to the 40's, and that Aldo Leupold was involved, and advocated for it. If this is true, then this whole thing goes back farther than we think. One would wonder why. Who, and what, is behind this? There are a lot of organizations advocating for Wildlife Corridors, etc. I believe Agenda 21 has a Map of planned zones. Interesting to ponder for sure.

[Alchase]

P-man wrote: I'll be happy to concede the point and will be on the front lines confronting the WDFW. Until that time, these are wild and unproven conspiracy theories that would've taken the cooperation of several agencies and scores of government employees willing to break the law. If it doesn't make sense it didn't happen."

How you feeling P-man? I see you have some of your color back..

Here's a little more info. for you about the agencies involved in so called "conspiracy theories".


https://montanapioneer.com/non-native-wolves-illegally-introduced-says-whistleblower-2/

Non Native Wolves Illegally  Introduced, Says Whistleblower

Former USFWS Official Speaks of Malfeasance, Misappropriated Funds, and Transplanting Wrong Subspecies to Yellowstone



IDFG Continues to Deny It Violated Idaho Law

http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/georgeDovel/The%20Outdoorsman%20No%2039%20May%202010-IDFG%20Continues%20to%20Deny.pdf


Idaho F&G Director Warns F&G Commission Not to Show Controversial Wolf Documents to Public

http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/George%20Dovel/The%20Outdoorsman%20No%20%2038%20Feb-April%202010%20IDFG%20Director%20Warns%20%20Commission%20.pdf


New Revelations about Reintroduced Wolves
http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/georgeDovel/The%20Outdoorsman%20No%20%2034%20April-May%202009.pdf

I think P-Man's point was that you've posted no evidence of wolves being re-introduced into Washington.

Do you have ANY evidence of wolf relocations into Washington?

I don't give the Government enough credit to think they could do it without evidence leaking out.

I guess you didn't read any of the links I posted, if you had you would have seen that the "USFWS etc. did a fine job on the illegal end of releasing wolves etc.. But somehow P-man doesn't believe WDFW would be a part of anything illegal. Amazing.

Tell me again about the first wolf pack in 70 years.

I don't need anymore proof then I already have, but I got to thinking about how the USFWS, WDFW, and CNW couldn't get their DNA story straight as to where the lookout pack came from. I went through some info. I had on the pack from 2009 etc. and found some info that stated that the Methow wolves came from Minnesota. Now that would be one heck of a long migration wouldn't it? I wonder what a FOIA request would reveal as to the lookout packs DNA origin?

OK, so no proof that WDFW has ever relocated a wolf illegally.   

That's what I thought.

Thanks.

That being the case, hunters really should band together for a solution that isn't based in conspiracy theory.

Too late 

Wolves re-introduced, Agenda 21, lets add Mel's hole, crop signs and contrails,....... BINGO!


 





 

[wolfbait]

Thanks WolfBait, for the Links. I read the 3rd one. Very interesting, very concerning. Not hard to see the same thing taking place within our State, and within WDFW and the WAG/Commission. In fact, after reading this Link, its not at all difficult to see similar things taking place here, and in fact, one wonders if we are being managed similarly, or have been for some time. I'm thinking; Deliberately being Managed into a Predator Pit. One thing I find interesting, and worth pondering, is that Hebblewhite would advocate for wolves, though he has studied/seen, first hand, the effect on ungulate populations. Strange. I read a book some years ago, about the Yellowstone wolf recovery, where it was said that the plan for recovery of wolves dates back to the 40's, and that Aldo Leupold was involved, and advocated for it. If this is true, then this whole thing goes back farther than we think. One would wonder why. Who, and what, is behind this? There are a lot of organizations advocating for Wildlife Corridors, etc. I believe Agenda 21 has a Map of planned zones. Interesting to ponder for sure.

There is evidence of the USFWS and state game agencies planting wolves in other states as far back as the 1960's that I know of.  Through these releases they discovered that the wolves would just return to their home ranges, that's why the USFWS put the wolves in large kennels and fed and held them for days when they brought them in from Canada.

Makes sense that the USFWS would release wolves from Minnesota into WA and Oregon, as the wolves would work their way back to their home range, a few might stop off along the way. The "Migrating" wolves are more than likely heading back to their home range.

There's two kinds of releases, soft release is where they dump wolves and then feed them and hard releases is they dump them and never look back.  A Washington state highway employee that had retired said that, in 2004 WDFW was getting all the road kill they could to feed some wolves they had released above Mazama.


The history of the USFWS, IDFG and Montana Park Service is much the same as Washingtons present history to date, it's like WA is following the same play book.

To your point of Agenda 21, and some of the language of the wolf introduction etc. are the same. And if you look at WDFW thirty year plan, it reeks of agenda 21 language.


Sportsmen Pay For Biodiversity Agenda

http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/georgeDovel/The%20Outdoorsman%20No%20%2024%20Jul-Sep%202007%20A%20New%20Solution%20to%20Non-Game%20Program%20Funding%20.pdf


The links below show similarities with WDFW's handling of wolves in comparison with ID.


What They Didn’t Tell You About Wolf Recovery

http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/georgeDovel/The%20Outdoorsman%2026%20January%202008%20full%20report.pdf


FWS Biologist Says Wolf Numbers Underestimated
Mech Says 3,000 Wolves Exist in ID, MT & WY


http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/georgeDovel/The%20Outdoorsman%20No.28%20May%202008%20FWS%20Biologist%20Says%20Wolf%20Numbers%20Underestimated%20Mech%20Says%203,000%20Wolves%20Exist%20in%20ID,%20MT%20&%20WY.pdf

I have to troll down to the barn and feed my broncs, sent you a PM.

[timberghost72]

Reference material. The red balloon icon is pretty much exactly where the pic of these wolves was taken. Not too far to the east is the glacier peak wilderness and then a little further east is Twisp. It’s not hard to picture where these wolves came from.

The sighting was in or near the Bogart Meadows neighborhood in town. I live in Pilchuck East and this was not in the neighborhood.

We have a neighborhood discussion board here and if a cat sneezes we would hear about it 

We have a few bears and one recent cougar sighting though. Lots of photos of deer and bear but no cougars or wolves.

[jackelope]

Reference material. The red balloon icon is pretty much exactly where the pic of these wolves was taken. Not too far to the east is the glacier peak wilderness and then a little further east is Twisp. It’s not hard to picture where these wolves came from.

The sighting was in or near the Bogart Meadows neighborhood in town. I live in Pilchuck East and this was not in the neighborhood.

We have a neighborhood discussion board here and if a cat sneezes we would hear about it 

We have a few bears and one recent cougar sighting though. Lots of photos of deer and bear but no cougars or wolves.

No clue. We have friends that live in that area. They told me where. They’re possibly wrong I guess.

She added it was a gated community with 1/4-1/2 acre lots where the pic was taken.

[Southpole]

Reference material. The red balloon icon is pretty much exactly where the pic of these wolves was taken. Not too far to the east is the glacier peak wilderness and then a little further east is Twisp. It’s not hard to picture where these wolves came from.

The sighting was in or near the Bogart Meadows neighborhood in town. I live in Pilchuck East and this was not in the neighborhood.

We have a neighborhood discussion board here and if a cat sneezes we would hear about it 

We have a few bears and one recent cougar sighting though. Lots of photos of deer and bear but no cougars or wolves.

No clue. We have friends that live in that area. They told me where. They’re possibly wrong I guess.

She added it was a gated community with 1/4-1/2 acre lots where the pic was taken.

Like fancy gated neighborhood? I’ve been there three times buying wiener pigs from those people and it’s not a gated community and the property is at least 10 or more acres along with their neighbors property not far out of town.

[timberghost72]

Some info I read today is the photo was taken around Menzel Lake Rd and Waite Mill road which is 1 mile south of town. Whether or not that is true, who knows. No gated community at that location but some gated driveways. 2 miles south there is. I'm going to drive by on my way home to see if I can find out anything.

[Southpole]

Some info I read today is the photo was taken around Menzel Lake Rd and Waite Mill road which is 1 mile south of town. Whether or not that is true, who knows. No gated community at that location but 2 miles south there is. I'm going to drive by on my way home to see if I can find out anything.

You’re correct on that description.

[Widgeondeke]

Some info I read today is the photo was taken around Menzel Lake Rd and Waite Mill road which is 1 mile south of town. Whether or not that is true, who knows. No gated community at that location but some gated driveways. 2 miles south there is. I'm going to drive by on my way home to see if I can find out anything.

There is a pig farmer at that intersection