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Re: Anyone watching the Phelps video series:Tradition?
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2019, 05:54:14 PM »
Thanks guys. I’ll answer a few questions.

The BRO stuff was a collaboration. They just released their series before ours. We wanted to edit it with our own twist. We only have a couple days left and we will be back to all original content.

There are only so many formats to film hunts in. The “as it happens”, “over edited and only show what looks cool”, “way over the top cinematic”, etc....  there are reasons this style is more successful. Has a lot to do with YouTube and what the majority of other viewers prefer.

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Re: Anyone watching the Phelps video series:Tradition?
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2019, 07:08:04 PM »
Someone asking for deer hunting in the elk hunting section. :chuckle:
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Re: Anyone watching the Phelps video series:Tradition?
« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2019, 08:25:20 AM »
I've been watching...some of it is great!...some of it not so much...first the "great" part. I like hunts that are attainable (I don't watch NM bulge hunts that cost upwards of $20,000 or more as that's un-realistic). So I like the "hey we are "normal" guys" hunts and you guys do a great job of this! The realistic parts are great, out of breath, hiking in with buddies, "local" hunts...etc. The video'ing is OK, I think the use of a tripod and sitting on a log and explaining things is way better than the "hold the camera by hand and do a selfie explanation" as that gets old real quick when you can only see the guys face as he talks...I think it's ok to do a bit of "after work" and sit down and talk about it as if it's happening right now, the sound is better and you can present it better, also voice over's are ok too, like Rinela and his show.

Ok, now the "bad"...the WA elk hunt, a guy has an incentive permit, and only has killed 1 bull before this hunt, the guy on the camera literally makes fun of the hunter, a few times, over his excitement of seeing a bull and it's "score"...who cares about the score! if that hunter wanted to shoot a spike the other guys should have been all excited for him, but too much emphasis on a mature bull, especially making fun of the guy. The comments about not giving away the spot during the fog, something like "If you know where this tree is..."...well, yes, I do know where that tree is, in fact a month and a half later I put my tent in your footprint where you had your tent, and that little pine tree you rested your bull on at camp, we used to hang our garbage sack on...I know exactly where you are, and thanks to the fog lifting and the editing of not cutting off the frame a second or two too late you can see exactly where you guys are...though I don't care but my point is, it totally takes away from the video that the narrator is trying to sway the viewer into it's a "secret" spot when there are literally thousands of hikers that hike that trail you guys use...and lastly, since I know I am overstepping in my review, but I am being honest...the lack of hunter orange by the hunter, this is Washington State and if he is using a rifle (which he is) for elk then he needs to wear hunter orange, even during an incentive permit but he leaves camp, in daylight on opening day not wearing orange...sure, most don't care, most will say I'm "nit-picking" but laws and rules are just that and if you plan on putting together a video then rules need to be followed, otherwise it gives us all a bad name...I totally understand taking off the orange after the shot and the hunt is legally over so photos can be taken wearing your favorite brand of gear, but while hunting, orange needs to be worn. (I am guessing that a special use permit from the Forest Service was obtained to commercially film on Federal Forest Service lands...). 

I will continue to watch as I like these guys, and I am sure it will only get better.

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Re: Anyone watching the Phelps video series:Tradition?
« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2019, 08:43:18 AM »
I've been watching...some of it is great!...some of it not so much...first the "great" part. I like hunts that are attainable (I don't watch NM bulge hunts that cost upwards of $20,000 or more as that's un-realistic). So I like the "hey we are "normal" guys" hunts and you guys do a great job of this! The realistic parts are great, out of breath, hiking in with buddies, "local" hunts...etc. The video'ing is OK, I think the use of a tripod and sitting on a log and explaining things is way better than the "hold the camera by hand and do a selfie explanation" as that gets old real quick when you can only see the guys face as he talks...I think it's ok to do a bit of "after work" and sit down and talk about it as if it's happening right now, the sound is better and you can present it better, also voice over's are ok too, like Rinela and his show.

Ok, now the "bad"...the WA elk hunt, a guy has an incentive permit, and only has killed 1 bull before this hunt, the guy on the camera literally makes fun of the hunter, a few times, over his excitement of seeing a bull and it's "score"...who cares about the score! if that hunter wanted to shoot a spike the other guys should have been all excited for him, but too much emphasis on a mature bull, especially making fun of the guy. The comments about not giving away the spot during the fog, something like "If you know where this tree is..."...well, yes, I do know where that tree is, in fact a month and a half later I put my tent in your footprint where you had your tent, and that little pine tree you rested your bull on at camp, we used to hang our garbage sack on...I know exactly where you are, and thanks to the fog lifting and the editing of not cutting off the frame a second or two too late you can see exactly where you guys are...though I don't care but my point is, it totally takes away from the video that the narrator is trying to sway the viewer into it's a "secret" spot when there are literally thousands of hikers that hike that trail you guys use...and lastly, since I know I am overstepping in my review, but I am being honest...the lack of hunter orange by the hunter, this is Washington State and if he is using a rifle (which he is) for elk then he needs to wear hunter orange, even during an incentive permit but he leaves camp, in daylight on opening day not wearing orange...sure, most don't care, most will say I'm "nit-picking" but laws and rules are just that and if you plan on putting together a video then rules need to be followed, otherwise it gives us all a bad name...I totally understand taking off the orange after the shot and the hunt is legally over so photos can be taken wearing your favorite brand of gear, but while hunting, orange needs to be worn. (I am guessing that a special use permit from the Forest Service was obtained to commercially film on Federal Forest Service lands...). 

I will continue to watch as I like these guys, and I am sure it will only get better.

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Re: Anyone watching the Phelps video series:Tradition?
« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2019, 08:44:36 AM »
He had orange on. It was just under his coat.  I wont judge as I've unknowingly done the same thing.  Tossed my stuff on in the morning and been chilly so threw on my puffy.  It happens.
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Re: Anyone watching the Phelps video series:Tradition?
« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2019, 08:47:07 AM »
trophyhunt...I go in there all the time, I've been taking my boys up there for summer hikes since they were 3...yes, 3 years old and they hiked in and played in the snow in July!...I am sure we have crossed each other's paths on the trail a few times.

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Re: Anyone watching the Phelps video series:Tradition?
« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2019, 08:53:43 AM »
Very true Karl...and I know my comments can be taken as rude or judgemental (not my intention), but I was just being honest, if its a video for commercial production then the details matter...he never took off his outer coat during the hunt, even when they were calling in the bull and he shot...sometimes, when mistakes are made then it's best to just chock it up and move on, like not publish the video as it shows a game violation, even if not intentional. It happens to most who hunt their entire lives, a mistake, and not a major one at that, but promoting a hunt for commercial purposes then all of the I's need dotted and the T's crossed. I am sure companies and brands wouldn't like this...poor Zumbo lost his job for making a comment about AR's being used for hunting...now known as "modern sporting rifles". 

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Re: Anyone watching the Phelps video series:Tradition?
« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2019, 09:01:13 AM »
Oh I dont disagree.  I also noticed the orange.  You could see the collar poking out of his coat that's why I assumed it was not an intentional thing.  Glad I dont have to worry about videoing or publishing anything :chuckle:
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Re: Anyone watching the Phelps video series:Tradition?
« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2019, 09:23:01 AM »
Very true Karl...and I know my comments can be taken as rude or judgemental (not my intention), but I was just being honest, if its a video for commercial production then the details matter...he never took off his outer coat during the hunt, even when they were calling in the bull and he shot...sometimes, when mistakes are made then it's best to just chock it up and move on, like not publish the video as it shows a game violation, even if not intentional. It happens to most who hunt their entire lives, a mistake, and not a major one at that, but promoting a hunt for commercial purposes then all of the I's need dotted and the T's crossed. I am sure companies and brands wouldn't like this...poor Zumbo lost his job for making a comment about AR's being used for hunting...now known as "modern sporting rifles". 

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All good points Grade and very respectful delivery.

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Re: Anyone watching the Phelps video series:Tradition?
« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2019, 09:27:59 AM »
I've been watching...some of it is great!...some of it not so much...first the "great" part. I like hunts that are attainable (I don't watch NM bulge hunts that cost upwards of $20,000 or more as that's un-realistic). So I like the "hey we are "normal" guys" hunts and you guys do a great job of this! The realistic parts are great, out of breath, hiking in with buddies, "local" hunts...etc. The video'ing is OK, I think the use of a tripod and sitting on a log and explaining things is way better than the "hold the camera by hand and do a selfie explanation" as that gets old real quick when you can only see the guys face as he talks...I think it's ok to do a bit of "after work" and sit down and talk about it as if it's happening right now, the sound is better and you can present it better, also voice over's are ok too, like Rinela and his show.

Ok, now the "bad"...the WA elk hunt, a guy has an incentive permit, and only has killed 1 bull before this hunt, the guy on the camera literally makes fun of the hunter, a few times, over his excitement of seeing a bull and it's "score"...who cares about the score! if that hunter wanted to shoot a spike the other guys should have been all excited for him, but too much emphasis on a mature bull, especially making fun of the guy. The comments about not giving away the spot during the fog, something like "If you know where this tree is..."...well, yes, I do know where that tree is, in fact a month and a half later I put my tent in your footprint where you had your tent, and that little pine tree you rested your bull on at camp, we used to hang our garbage sack on...I know exactly where you are, and thanks to the fog lifting and the editing of not cutting off the frame a second or two too late you can see exactly where you guys are...though I don't care but my point is, it totally takes away from the video that the narrator is trying to sway the viewer into it's a "secret" spot when there are literally thousands of hikers that hike that trail you guys use...and lastly, since I know I am overstepping in my review, but I am being honest...the lack of hunter orange by the hunter, this is Washington State and if he is using a rifle (which he is) for elk then he needs to wear hunter orange, even during an incentive permit but he leaves camp, in daylight on opening day not wearing orange...sure, most don't care, most will say I'm "nit-picking" but laws and rules are just that and if you plan on putting together a video then rules need to be followed, otherwise it gives us all a bad name...I totally understand taking off the orange after the shot and the hunt is legally over so photos can be taken wearing your favorite brand of gear, but while hunting, orange needs to be worn. (I am guessing that a special use permit from the Forest Service was obtained to commercially film on Federal Forest Service lands...). 

I will continue to watch as I like these guys, and I am sure it will only get better.

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They weren't making fun of the hunter. They were making fun of one of the packers, Devin. If you knew Devin you would know that that is pretty normal between his friends. Constantly Poking fun at each other but nothing serious. Devin is one hell of a elk hunter so I doubt he took the ribbing too serious.

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Re: Anyone watching the Phelps video series:Tradition?
« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2019, 09:32:21 AM »
I've been watching...some of it is great!...some of it not so much...first the "great" part. I like hunts that are attainable (I don't watch NM bulge hunts that cost upwards of $20,000 or more as that's un-realistic). So I like the "hey we are "normal" guys" hunts and you guys do a great job of this! The realistic parts are great, out of breath, hiking in with buddies, "local" hunts...etc. The video'ing is OK, I think the use of a tripod and sitting on a log and explaining things is way better than the "hold the camera by hand and do a selfie explanation" as that gets old real quick when you can only see the guys face as he talks...I think it's ok to do a bit of "after work" and sit down and talk about it as if it's happening right now, the sound is better and you can present it better, also voice over's are ok too, like Rinela and his show.

Ok, now the "bad"...the WA elk hunt, a guy has an incentive permit, and only has killed 1 bull before this hunt, the guy on the camera literally makes fun of the hunter, a few times, over his excitement of seeing a bull and it's "score"...who cares about the score! if that hunter wanted to shoot a spike the other guys should have been all excited for him, but too much emphasis on a mature bull, especially making fun of the guy. The comments about not giving away the spot during the fog, something like "If you know where this tree is..."...well, yes, I do know where that tree is, in fact a month and a half later I put my tent in your footprint where you had your tent, and that little pine tree you rested your bull on at camp, we used to hang our garbage sack on...I know exactly where you are, and thanks to the fog lifting and the editing of not cutting off the frame a second or two too late you can see exactly where you guys are...though I don't care but my point is, it totally takes away from the video that the narrator is trying to sway the viewer into it's a "secret" spot when there are literally thousands of hikers that hike that trail you guys use...and lastly, since I know I am overstepping in my review, but I am being honest...the lack of hunter orange by the hunter, this is Washington State and if he is using a rifle (which he is) for elk then he needs to wear hunter orange, even during an incentive permit but he leaves camp, in daylight on opening day not wearing orange...sure, most don't care, most will say I'm "nit-picking" but laws and rules are just that and if you plan on putting together a video then rules need to be followed, otherwise it gives us all a bad name...I totally understand taking off the orange after the shot and the hunt is legally over so photos can be taken wearing your favorite brand of gear, but while hunting, orange needs to be worn. (I am guessing that a special use permit from the Forest Service was obtained to commercially film on Federal Forest Service lands...). 

I will continue to watch as I like these guys, and I am sure it will only get better.

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Also,  he wasn't required to wear hunters orange.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/hunter_orange/

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Re: Anyone watching the Phelps video series:Tradition?
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2019, 09:41:45 AM »
Grundy...they also made fun of the hunter when he gets excited as the bull comes in...and yes it is required. Page 6 of the regs spells out the incentive permit as well as hunter orange...which states in the second sentence that special permits still need hunter orange, and the incentive permit needs to abide by the seasons requirements. You only posted a link to the hunter orange on the WDFW webpage...check the regulations and page 6, which also explains the incentive permit.

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Re: Anyone watching the Phelps video series:Tradition?
« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2019, 09:56:00 AM »
Grundy...they also made fun of the hunter when he gets excited as the bull comes in...and yes it is required. Page 6 of the regs spells out the incentive permit as well as hunter orange...which states in the second sentence that special permits still need hunter orange, and the incentive permit needs to abide by the seasons requirements. You only posted a link to the hunter orange on the WDFW webpage...check the regulations and page 6, which also explains the incentive permit.

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No, is says modern firearm special permit holders have to wear orange. It also says anyone hunting in a unit open to modern firearm has to wear orange. Neither are the case here. He had an any weapon tag and there were no seasons open. Also, this is what page 6 says about the incentive tag. Please point out the orange requirements.


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Re: Anyone watching the Phelps video series:Tradition?
« Reply #43 on: January 21, 2019, 10:01:51 AM »
Grundy...they also made fun of the hunter when he gets excited as the bull comes in...and yes it is required. Page 6 of the regs spells out the incentive permit as well as hunter orange...which states in the second sentence that special permits still need hunter orange, and the incentive permit needs to abide by the seasons requirements. You only posted a link to the hunter orange on the WDFW webpage...check the regulations and page 6, which also explains the incentive permit.

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No, is says modern firearm special permit holders have to wear orange. It also says anyone hunting in a unit open to modern firearm has to wear orange. Neither are the case here. He had an any weapon tag and there were no seasons open. Also, this is what page 6 says about the incentive tag. Please point out the orange requirements.


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Where is the incentive exemption? I see the word "all".

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« Reply #44 on: January 21, 2019, 10:08:21 AM »
Grundy...they also made fun of the hunter when he gets excited as the bull comes in...and yes it is required. Page 6 of the regs spells out the incentive permit as well as hunter orange...which states in the second sentence that special permits still need hunter orange, and the incentive permit needs to abide by the seasons requirements. You only posted a link to the hunter orange on the WDFW webpage...check the regulations and page 6, which also explains the incentive permit.

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No, is says modern firearm special permit holders have to wear orange. It also says anyone hunting in a unit open to modern firearm has to wear orange. Neither are the case here. He had an any weapon tag and there were no seasons open. Also, this is what page 6 says about the incentive tag. Please point out the orange requirements.


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Where is the incentive exemption? I see the word "all".
But you are apparently missing the words after "all". It says all MODERN FIREARM permit holders. The incentive tag isn't a modern firearm permit. It's an any weapon permit.

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