GUN BAN LIST IS OUT

[Jekemi]

It should make us fighting mad! We need to make it clear to our lawmakers in Washington and in Olympia and to the Executive branch and to the courts that these proposed flagrant violations to the 2nd Amendment will not be tolerated.

We will not give up our gun rights under any circumstances. The can't arrest all of us; we are millions strong and we need to make our voices heard loudly and clearly; "Don't even think about taking away our right to bear arms."

We can't just lie down and play dead like the British and Australians did. Let them know that if they try any of this nonsesne they will have a fight on their hands, the likes of which they have never seen before. It's time to get serious!

[sisu]

Lets not all run to the kitchen and make aluminum foil helmets just yet...

What, I made mine too soon?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[bearpaw]

I recieved a tweet on twitter in regards to these congress members that are in for years and never get voted out....They suggested congressional cage fighting on pay per view....also solves the problem of reduced tax income for government.

On a more serious note: Only the voters can change who their leaders are, right now the american people are getting exactly what they asked for at the voting booth. If things swing far enough left then the pendulum will swing to the right.

The question is: how far left are we going this time??? Maybe the majority will even take us farther to the left at the next election!!!     

[Bigshooter]

It should make us fighting mad! We need to make it clear to our lawmakers in Washington and in Olympia and to the Executive branch and to the courts that these proposed flagrant violations to the 2nd Amendment will not be tolerated.

We will not give up our gun rights under any circumstances. The can't arrest all of us; we are millions strong and we need to make our voices heard loudly and clearly; "Don't even think about taking away our right to bear arms."

We can't just lie down and play dead like the British and Australians did. Let them know that if they try any of this nonsesne they will have a fight on their hands, the likes of which they have never seen before. It's time to get serious!

Talk is cheap... what do you think is going to happen when a force comprised of your children, your cousins, nephews, neighbors kids, best friends kids show up to take your weapons? And oh by the way, they have you vastly outnumbered and at a technical dis-advantage. Are you going to start killing your friends, nephews, sons, daughters, etc.? I don't think so...it would be suicide to take on the best military force known to man let alone face your neighbors and family after you shot one of them.
So go ahead and blow smoke up someone else's ass, I don't believe a word you say.

Something needs to happen but attempting to resist our own armed forces is the stupidest thing yet. So it's time you get serious and figure out how you're going to fight them by yourself because if you point a gun at any of my family or friends then ......

There is a law that the U.S government can not use the military against U.S. citizens.  Can't remember what the law is called but I will see if I can find it.  It is a really strange name.

[billythekidrock]

There is a law that the U.S government can not use the military against U.S. citizens.  Can't remember what the law is called but I will see if I can find it.  It is a really strange name.

I bet the government would use our military against us if we tried to secede. Probably some sort of "traitor" law built in.

[Bigshooter]

Posse Comitatus Act

[KillBilly]

Posse Comitatus Act

Unless they declare Marshal Law... then see how long that act lasts.

[Bigshooter]

Posse Comitatus Act

Unless they declare Marshal Law... then see how long that act lasts.

In United States law, martial law is limited by several court decisions that were handed down between the American Civil War and World War II. In 1878, Congress passed the Posse Comitatus Act, which forbids military involvement in domestic law enforcement without congressional approval.

[catwithboost]

But  would National Guard fall under that since it is a state funded military? Just a thought 

[Bigshooter]

But  would National Guard fall under that since it is a state funded military? Just a thought 

National Guard does fall under it.

[shoot-em-dead]

Just to   , Couldn't the government just call a foreign country and have them come in and take away our guns. If we saw 10 million Chinese soldiers let into our country what would happen. Another guy threw this scenario at me a while back and I couldn't help but chuckle to myself.

[Ray]

Get the tin foil hats out.  

A political fight is the best way to go on this. Using the term fight without the intent of physical uprisings.

[sisu]

On September 26, 2006, President Bush urged Congress to consider revising federal laws so that U.S. armed forces could restore public order and enforce laws in the aftermath of a natural disaster, in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.

These changes were included in the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (H.R. 5122), which was signed into law on Oct 17, 2006, subsequently repealed in their entirety.[2]

Section 1076 is titled "Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies". It provided that:

The President may employ the armed forces... to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition... the President determines that... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such... a condition... so hinders the execution of the laws... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.[3]

[sisu]

There are a number of situations in which the Act does not apply. These include:

National Guard units while under the authority of the governor of a state;
Troops used under the order of the President of the United States pursuant to the Insurrection Act, as was the case during the 1992 Los Angeles Riots.
Under 18 U.S.C. § 831, the Attorney General may request that the Secretary of Defense provide emergency assistance if civilian law enforcement is inadequate to address certain types of threats involving the release of nuclear materials, such as potential use of a nuclear or radiological weapon. Such assistance may be by any personnel under the authority of the Department of Defense, provided such assistance does not adversely affect U.S. military preparedness.

[sisu]

Homeland security
On October 1, 2008, the US Army announced that the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team (BCT) will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command (NORTHCOM), as an on-call federal response force for natural or man-made emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

This marks the first time an active U.S. Army unit will be given a dedicated assignment to NORTHCOM, where it is stated they may be "called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive (CBRNE) attack." These soldiers will also learn how to use non-lethal weapons designed to "subdue unruly or dangerous individuals" without killing them, and also includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and beanbag bullets.[5] However, the "non-lethal crowd control package [...] is intended for use on deployments to the war zone, not in the U.S. [...]".[5]

The US military will have around 20,000 uniformed personnel in this role in the United States by 2011, specifically trained and equipped to assist state and local government, respond to major disasters, terrorist attack, other major public emergencies.[6] This shift in strategy is a result of recommendations by Congress and outside experts.[6] This response capability is not new, but now accompanies a permanent assignment of forces to NORTHCOM.

This formalizes a role for the use of federal troops within the United States during major public emergencies and disasters, as was the case in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in 2005.[5] This has raised concern about the relationship between Posse Comitatus and the use of the military in domestic disaster support and homeland defense roles.[7]. However, federal military forces have a long history of domestic roles.[8] The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of federal military forces to "execute the laws"; however, there is disagreement over whether this language may apply to troops used in an advisory, support, disaster response, or other homeland defense role, as opposed to conventional law enforcement.[1]

On December 10, 2008, the California Highway Patrol announced its officers, along with San Bernadino Sheriff's Department deputies and US Marine Corps Military Police, would jointly staff some sobriety and drivers license checkpoints.[9] However, the Marines at the checkpoints are not arresting individuals or enforcing any laws, which would be a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act.[10] A spokesperson said that the Marines were present to observe the checkpoint to learn how to conduct checkpoints on base, to help combat the problem of Marines driving under the influence. The Marines at a recent checkpoint learned techniques to conduct sobriety checkpoints and field sobriety tests.[10]

On March 10, 2009, active duty Army military police troops from Fort Rucker were deployed to Samson, Alabama in response to a murder spree. Samson police officials confirmed the troops' presence, but it remains unclear who requested the troops and under what authority they were deployed. The governor of Alabama did not request military assistance and President Obama did not authorize their deployment. According to police officials, the soldiers were involved in traffic control and securing the crime scene. An investigation into possible violations of several federal laws including the Posse Comitatus Act, is underway.[11]