Permit quotas

[trophyhunt]

I can't believe I'm defending it, but shooting bulls does help maintain the herd better than whacking the tar out of a pile of adult cows.  It also gives you antlers which have a market value and may have more to do with the decision than conservation.

shooting truck loads of bulls help?  I know, no need to answer that. 

[Birdgetter]

The way I read the Yakama regs, it seems to read that they can't shoot elk at any feed stations, or wintering areas. Nor can they shot cows from Jan 1st to August 31st. But I guess no one is going to stop them.

[Stein]

I can't believe I'm defending it, but shooting bulls does help maintain the herd better than whacking the tar out of a pile of adult cows.  It also gives you antlers which have a market value and may have more to do with the decision than conservation.

shooting truck loads of bulls help?  I know, no need to answer that.

If the choice is between shooting 50 bulls and shooting 50 cows, then yes, I would say that is the better of two bad choices.

[JimmyHoffa]

I can't believe I'm defending it, but shooting bulls does help maintain the herd better than whacking the tar out of a pile of adult cows.  It also gives you antlers which have a market value and may have more to do with the decision than conservation.

shooting truck loads of bulls help?  I know, no need to answer that.

If the choice is between shooting 50 bulls and shooting 50 cows, then yes, I would say that is the better of two bad choices.

For the herd and future of hunting that herd (spikes/antlerless), I'd agree.  If you're just looking to finally draw a tag and not concerned with herd after a few years, probably want the jerky man to shoot cows and calves.

[trophyhunt]

Realtree needs a few emails sent to them about the truth of who they are involved with.  I have to believe his customers don’t know either. 

[kirkl]

So I emailed the commission, director and wildthing at the game department and asked them about killing elk to sell to the public and sent a link from a video in this thread and this is the reply I got.

Mr.

The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife is in receipt of your email related to tribal hunting. The Yakama Treaty of 1855 speaks directly to the issue of the hunting privileges guaranteed by the treaty. The following is Article 3 of said treaty:

 

ARTICLE 3.

And provided, That, if necessary for the public convenience, roads may be run through the said

reservation; and on the other hand, the right of way, with free access from the same to the nearest

public highway, is secured to them; as also the right, in common with citizens of the United

States, to travel upon all public highways.

The exclusive right of taking fish in all the streams, where running through or bordering said

reservation, is further secured to said confederated tribes and bands of Indians, as also the right of

taking fish at all usual and accustomed places, in common with the citizens of the Territory, and

of erecting temporary buildings for curing them; together with the privilege of hunting, gathering

roots and berries, and pasturing their horses and cattle upon open and unclaimed land.

 

As this is a treaty with the United States, it is the law of the land and has been declared such by the courts. As you can see, the treaty does not specify the fishing and hunting rights that were retained by the Yakama Nation were restricted to ceremonial and subsistence purposes. The hunting activities of Yakama Nation members typically are regulated by the Yakima Nation provided those activities occur on open and unclaimed lands within their ceded area or within the confines of the reservation boundaries. The Yakima Nation does regulate commercial uses of wildlife, and allow it under some instances. From review of the video you mentioned, it appears this subjects activities occurred within the ceded area or on the reservation. Therefore, we have provided the information to the Yakama Nation Fish and Wildlife Enforcement to determine whether this subject is in compliance with their regulations. If you have additional information related to specific sales of wildlife by this subject, that would be helpful in better analyzing this subjects activities.

[Stein]

It's interesting that the treaty lists fishing as a right and hunting as a privilege.  That typically means that the "privilege" can be taken away much more easily than a right.

[SuperX]

wouldn't it be great if "in common with the citizens" meant under the same regulations, kind of like it means everyone has the same speed limit they have to follow?

[Oh Mah]

It's interesting that the treaty lists fishing as a right and hunting as a privilege.  That typically means that the "privilege" can be taken away much more easily than a right.

"Privilege" is wording of the person typing,Not the wording from the actual treaty.

[Oh Mah]

wouldn't it be great if "in common with the citizens" meant under the same regulations, kind of like it means everyone has the same speed limit they have to follow?

It does and with a fair court it would be ruled that way,Problem is here in WA. we don't have that "FAIR COURT" We have a corrupt greedy court system and Gov. that takes payoffs. 

[Tbar]

It's interesting that the treaty lists fishing as a right and hunting as a privilege.  That typically means that the "privilege" can be taken away much more easily than a right.

"Privilege" is wording of the person typing,Not the wording from the actual treaty.

You sure?

[Oh Mah]

I will have to double check now 

[Stein]

I will have to double check now 

That't the language that appears on the Yakima Nation website here:

http://www.yakamanation-nsn.gov/treaty.php

It also appears here on the FWS website:

https://www.fws.gov/Pacific/ea/tribal/treaties/Yakima.pdf

[trophyhunt]

wouldn't it be great if "in common with the citizens" meant under the same regulations, kind of like it means everyone has the same speed limit they have to follow?

”In common with” is part of the treaty that should be challenged in court by good expensive lawyers.  There is nothing in common with how the tribes operate and non tribal members.

[Oh Mah]

I will have to double check now 

That't the language that appears on the Yakima Nation website here:

http://www.yakamanation-nsn.gov/treaty.php

It also appears here on the FWS website:

https://www.fws.gov/Pacific/ea/tribal/treaties/Yakima.pdf

Yes you are right,Wow the way we are mis informed because of status quo is ridiculous.I am truly surprised,Thanks for pointing that out.