Advice for anyone looking for a guide in the Goat Rocks Wilderness?

[Shawn Ryan]

Did we skip jury selection?

Internet winner for today.

[Harleysboss]

Yes that in fact makes me a third party hearsay to this. I was told the story directly from the hunter. As I understand it, the owner or head guide was not present on this hunt either. That kinda makes him third party as well.  He posted his version and we can all wait for the hunters account. People were asking questions above and beyond PM's so I asked the eyewitness (the OP) if I could put up a short story of the "hunt".  There is all sorts of speculation from all kinds of posters on this thread as to why horses spook, how one should prep for a guided hunt and so on. The fact is no one but the hunter and a couple of other guys...I wont call them guides were actually there.  The Hunter in this case spent 16 long waited points on a pretty tough hunt to draw and was misguided(pun intended) by all involved.

[elkchaser54]

Any press, is good press ?

[huntnfmly]

So a guy who is allergic to horses and can hike with horse trains got on a horse?  Pretty sure he has no knowledge/experience of horses.  He aint smart enough to put his gun in the "safe" place for riding and he holds Guide responsible for bees/horses reactions?  A self medicating guide at camp?  So.  His day is done, his business.  It seems if a person listened to guide and scabbared his rifle it would not have broke?  If he had some horse experience and 2 hands riding (not holding a rifle) he might not been hurt when tossed from horse as the shoulder injury suggest.  Either way it sucks, very bad luck and a bad trip when expectations where so high.  I would be but sore as well but I accept responsibilty for my decisions and don't try blame any source I can find but that's me.  WPO imop is a good outfit trying best to perform in a tough business.  Things aint always roses.  Aint NW Trek in the mnts.  Sheet happens people.

I agree 100% And I can guarantee that if he would have been successful we never would have even heard about this

[kselkhunter]

Yes that in fact makes me a third party hearsay to this. I was told the story directly from the hunter. As I understand it, the owner or head guide was not present on this hunt either. That kinda makes him third party as well.  He posted his version and we can all wait for the hunters account. People were asking questions above and beyond PM's so I asked the eyewitness (the OP) if I could put up a short story of the "hunt".  There is all sorts of speculation from all kinds of posters on this thread as to why horses spook, how one should prep for a guided hunt and so on. The fact is no one but the hunter and a couple of other guys...I wont call them guides were actually there.  The Hunter in this case spent 16 long waited points on a pretty tough hunt to draw and was misguided(pun intended) by all involved.

You accused White Pass Outfitters of "self medicating with an unknown substance" even though you admit you were not there. Your statement has more legal and fiduciary ramifications than you realize.  You're not anonymous.

[emac]

Yes that in fact makes me a third party hearsay to this. I was told the story directly from the hunter. As I understand it, the owner or head guide was not present on this hunt either. That kinda makes him third party as well.  He posted his version and we can all wait for the hunters account. People were asking questions above and beyond PM's so I asked the eyewitness (the OP) if I could put up a short story of the "hunt".  There is all sorts of speculation from all kinds of posters on this thread as to why horses spook, how one should prep for a guided hunt and so on. The fact is no one but the hunter and a couple of other guys...I wont call them guides were actually there.  The Hunter in this case spent 16 long waited points on a pretty tough hunt to draw and was misguided(pun intended) by all involved.

So whats the difference between you and WPO coming on here and giving his side. No different what so ever.

And also i don't either party involved but you just keep digging yourself a deeper hole

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[Harleysboss]

Anyone care to show me and the internet police where I accused anyone of anything illegal? Self medicating can mean all sorts of things. Oh and by the way can anyone show me or anyone else where I named anyone by name and made any accusations of illegal activity?  The outfitter named himself on this thread...I didn't. He brought up illegal drugs..I didn't.  Please show me and advise in all your best legal opinion how I could possibly be defaming anyone?  Your right I'm not anonymous so please don't make threats against me on a public forum...I have surely not made any threats against anyone.Everyone else has shared there opinions on this topic and I have merely shared my knowledge of the same. 

[92xj]

Does the story end with seeing the motorcycle riders or did the whole thing not download?

[Timberstalker]

I think someone was self medicating while writing that letter. I think.

[Alchase]

That letter stops on Sunday before the hunt?

[ribka]

Anyone care to show me and the internet police where I accused anyone of anything illegal? Self medicating can mean all sorts of things. Oh and by the way can anyone show me or anyone else where I named anyone by name and made any accusations of illegal activity?  The outfitter named himself on this thread...I didn't. He brought up illegal drugs..I didn't.  Please show me and advise in all your best legal opinion how I could possibly be defaming anyone?  Your right I'm not anonymous so please don't make threats against me on a public forum...I have surely not made any threats against anyone.Everyone else has shared there opinions on this topic and I have merely shared my knowledge of the same.

So you’re the surrogate complainer?

Why can’t the client come here and directly post?

This entire second hand retelling of the supposed abuse is pretty weird imo

[hogslayer]

I personally like Kent (WPO).  He has helped me out many times.  I even gave him some of the elk i shot last year.  He packed me into the Bumping when i was drawn for an Archery tag.  He even brought me up some extra food as i was running out.  One time it snowed and was super nasty outside.  Even though i didn't pay for a "camp", he offered that i could stay in one of his tents and use his heat.  I came across one of his camps at 4 Pm and then hunters were just sitting inside.  They were "tired" and didn't want to hunt anymore.  Well that night it snowed and there tent fell down.  It's examples like this that could leave someone to complain.  I guess my expectation for a pack hunt is different.  Get me in there and i'll do the rest.  Last year when Kent came to pack my elk out, i was so sore that i decided to walk 13 miles out.   He has always been there when he says he is. 

[92xj]

No matter the rest of the story I would be pissed being set at camp by that lake at the end of the dam gravel service road when I was expecting a Backcountry hunt. Just like i would be pissed about being set up at camp on top within earshot of the chairlifts, like the story last year. Especially being that close to the east west boundary in a location where shooting something on the wrong side of the line felt like a setup.
I'm still curious about the rest of the hunt. No sides have been taken and this is all entertaining for me.

[carlinski]

Ill try to attach the letter here again.  If this does not come through this time, I will get some help doing it tomorrow and finish the post then!

[92xj]

It all showed up this time. Interesting read thats for sure.