Trail cams, is Nevada the first to take this position.

[Bango skank]

Everyone go back and read ghost hunters post. Nevada's law has nothing to do with ethics and everything to do with protecting animals during a  Vulnerable time from Jack wagons. No different than the shed laws many states have adopted. This isn't NE WA, this is Nevada we are talking about. As more and more people figure out they can monetize these animals you'll see more and more laws combating the few who ruin it for the many.

I dont disagree with nevadas reasoning.  What youre seeing here is people responding to the dude that says he doesnt like them and they should be illegal here.

[Bango skank]

I know I will get some flack, but I think all trail cameras should be outlawed.  If you want to scout, then get out there and scout.

outlawed for what reasons?

Because he doesnt use them.  And his way is the only right way.

[bornhunter]

For pro camera users answer this question. Why do you place a camera in the woods? Is it because you just like to look at wildlife or is it because you cant be there 24/7 and when season opens you have an edge? Or what? Honest answers will tell a lot here.

Both. I love getting pictures of critters, both huntable and non huntable. I would say maybe 1 in 10 of my camera sets are in places that I plan to MAYBE hunt that year

Now there is an honest answer.

[bornhunter]

 

For pro camera users answer this question. Why do you place a camera in the woods? Is it because you just like to look at wildlife or is it because you cant be there 24/7 and when season opens you have an edge? Or what? Honest answers will tell a lot here.

Both. I love getting pictures of critters, both huntable and non huntable. I would say maybe 1 in 10 of my camera sets are in places that I plan to MAYBE hunt that year

[bornhunter]

Definitely would not consider my self a “pro” camera user. I suppose you would have to be making money in one of the aforementioned ways to be a pro. But I do have a dozen or more and yes I suppose I do put them out so that I can see the age class of animals in an area and possibly even pattern them, though unlikely. Sure this gives me an advantage come hunting season but so do my nice boots, lightweight hunting gear, scent control products, you name it. If you aren’t out in a loin cloth rubbing deer feces on your self to get close enough to stick a rock through a deer that you sharpened out of the creek bed that morning it could be argued that you have an “unfair advantage”
I do suppose in arid areas if it is deterring animals from water then regulations make sense. To regulate it because it’s  an unfair advantage seems like we could keep going all day.

Good point!

[Stein]

Some people use them, some don't.  There can be two valid opinions on an issue without considering one side a sell-out to the hunting community.  Healthy discussion on what methods should be used to hunt should not be feared.  For example, most people believe you shouldn't be able to shoot a deer in the headlights out of your truck window at night.  That belief does not take away anyone's rights or lead to the complete ban on hunting through some trickle down effect.

That said, the restriction is clearly based on science and common sense and designed to help maintain healthy populations.  This is what we want state agencies to do and has nothing to do with ethics.  This is protecting the resource for others to enjoy for generations down the line as opposed to only thinking about ourselves.

[baker5150]

 

[emac]

I like it. Hate hiking and seeing cameras.

I hate seeing other hikers in the woods so we could ban that also 😂😂

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[pianoman9701]

Some people use them, some don't.  There can be two valid opinions on an issue without considering one side a sell-out to the hunting community.  Healthy discussion on what methods should be used to hunt should not be feared.  For example, most people believe you shouldn't be able to shoot a deer in the headlights out of your truck window at night.  That belief does not take away anyone's rights or lead to the complete ban on hunting through some trickle down effect.

That said, the restriction is clearly based on science and common sense and designed to help maintain healthy populations.  This is what we want state agencies to do and has nothing to do with ethics.  This is protecting the resource for others to enjoy for generations down the line as opposed to only thinking about ourselves.

In those areas with drought conditions where there's a measured negative effect on the animals, I agree that restricting cams is in the best interest of the wildlife concerned. However, in areas like W.WA which has no such conditions, the only reason to oppose trailcams is because you don't use them and think no one else should, either.

Personally, I have one trail cam and it's sitting on the shelf. It wouldn't hurt me if they were made illegal to use. But advocating the restriction of anything in legal use because you don't agree with it is selfish. Trad bow hunters advocating the banning of compound bows, single rod fisherman advocating the end of the two-rod option, people who don't use tree stands on public land advocating the end of tree stands on public land - all of these are sportsmen working against each other when we should be far more united working for increased access and privileges. If you don't like trailcams, don't use them and lead by example. Don't try to restrict my hunting experience based on your own opinions or personal dislikes.

[Stein]

As technology comes to age, our community needs to address it.  Drones are a good example, many states have made those illegal to use while hunting and I don't think that is selfish at all.  That would have lead to a complete circus as well as incredibly bad attention to hunting in general.

Hunting has a long history of self restriction both in the name of ethics as well as conservation and many of those rules and regulations have came from within our community as it should be.

[Bango skank]

Theres a difference between somebody having a different opinion, and somebody thinking their opinion should be the law for everybody else.  The "i dont do it so you shouldnt be allowed to" mentality is b.s.  i dont like e callers, but you wont hear me saying they should be illegal, and if it came to a vote, id vote against outlawing them.  I dont think they fit my personal definition of fair chase, so i choose not to use them.  But i dont want to stop you.

[pianoman9701]

As technology comes to age, our community needs to address it.  Drones are a good example, many states have made those illegal to use while hunting and I don't think that is selfish at all.  That would have lead to a complete circus as well as incredibly bad attention to hunting in general.

Hunting has a long history of self restriction both in the name of ethics as well as conservation and many of those rules and regulations have came from within our community as it should be.

Drones aren't legal for hunting or scouting. It's considered wildlife harassment. There's no issue there. If you have an ethical problem with a legal hunting practice, don't do it and set the example. By all means, have the conversation with other hunters, but understand that your viewpoint isn't the only one. We really need to be unified regarding legal hunting practices. This society has become a me, me, me culture and sportsmen are sometimes no different. If we disagree with someone else's politics, we won't listen to another point of view. Ours is the only correct opinion. This kind of divisiveness is harmful to our sporting life. If we can't agree on supporting each other's legal practices, we're certainly going to have little chance of gaining the support or the other 96%+ of the population who doesn't hunt when it's crunch time on something like hounds or baiting.

[Stein]

Hunting with drones was legal until they were outlawed.  My point is you could make the same argument about drones as you can for cameras.  I don't take the position that we need to be unified and be against any new regulation.

[Rob]

Theres a difference between somebody having a different opinion, and somebody thinking their opinion should be the law for everybody else.  The "i dont do it so you shouldnt be allowed to" mentality is b.s.  i dont like e callers, but you wont hear me saying they should be illegal, and if it came to a vote, id vote against outlawing them.  I dont think they fit my personal definition of fair chase, so i choose not to use them.  But i dont want to stop you.

Could not agree more.  The "I don't like it so it should be illegal" is a large contributing factor in how we lost bait hunting and hound hunting in this state....

We as a hunting community need to differentiate between supporting legislature that impacts sustainable wildlife populations, and supporting legislature that makes people feel better...

[pianoman9701]

Hunting with drones was legal until they were outlawed.  My point is you could make the same argument about drones as you can for cameras.  I don't take the position that we need to be unified and be against any new regulation.

Why not oppose any muzzle loader except flintlocks? Why not oppose compound bows or ARs for hunting, or camouflage clothing, or the use of any electronics like GPSs or range finders? What about the use of bicycles for hunting? Trailcams are just one example.