Wolves

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This is what the pro-wolf people are pretending not to understand. With wolves overpopulating the Rocky Mountains and the Cascades there is really no need for human hunting. That is the point, that is the goal. That is the reality. I believe there is a bloodless revolution going on in this country that is hell bent on changing America into something that I do not recognize. I have been ignoring those who call out like Paul Revere but I am beginning to understand that if we do not do something with in the next few years it will be to late and it will take generations to set things right.

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Stop Hunting 101
First Ban Hound Hunting and Baiting Bears.
Introduce and purchase land for Wolves.
When there are 2 many Black Bears bring in Grizzles. Yes Grizzleys do eat Black Bears!!!
When there are not eneough Deer,Elk and Moose from the Wolves and Grizzlies there will be no need to hunt!!! 

[WAcoyotehunter]

There is a reason that wolves were hunted to near extinction in the lower 48. It is because they are bad news.

Ok then...what was the reason people killed nearly all the elk, deer, turkeys, lions, bobcats, lynx, otter, caribou, passenger pigeons, bison,  mink.....   they must have been bad news as well.

 



Wolves are not compatible with humans. There is only room for one Apex predator in the chain.

Game is at an all time high now. Why is that?

Oh yeah- that's why there are no humans left in Canada or Alaska; we are all screwed.  

I agree that wolf populations need managed.  They should be maintained at a level that allows enough surplus for hunters.  Game being at an all time high is not exactly indicitive of a healthy environment.  Wolves coming into WA is not the end of the world, or of our hunting.  As long as we can have a plan in place to control the population when it reaches the recovery goals we are OK.  I'll be interested to see the outcome of the anti's lawsuits on the recent delisting in MT and ID.  Hopefully the work they are doing is laying the way for WA to eventually move in that direction, but IMO it will be a long time before we get the #'s to delist.

[Wenatcheejay]

Canada and Alaska have more land, and they allow hunting of the wolves. In Alaska they hunt them by plane. There is a lot we can agree on Yotehunter. Wolves can be managed. But m a n a g e d is the key word. That is not what is going on. That is my point. If it is yours, then we agree.

[Pathfinder101]

Canada and Alaska also have sustainable populations of moose, which support a lot of the wolf populations.  If the predators we already have (cougar and black bear) are not hammering the deer and elk populations, then what happened to the Blues?
If wolves are introduced they will eventually start to reduce their own numbers through wolf on wolf violence, but not before going through the deer population (easier to catch than elk).  Washington can sustain a wolf population, but not until we go through some pain.  And the politics of wolf hunting is going to cause a $hitstorm when DFW starts to try to manage them.

[WDFW-SUX]

Ihave a joyfull pic from last weekend but sont have a puter with me in the yukon

I will send the pic to someone if they will post it but need the email posted can't check the pm's from the phone

SSS

[WDFW-SUX]

I don't think having wolves anywhere in in the lower 48 is a good idea. RMEF are fools if they support any number of wolves.  The dude in the pic is 5 10. 

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Here ya Go I posted for WDFW-SUX !!!

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I Luv looking at DEAD WOLVES!!! 

[dontgetcrabs]

   

[WDFW-SUX]

Me too the really scary think is that this. wolf is the same kind that is running around the west and in washington

[Pathfinder101]

Yeah, most people don't realize how big they actually are up close.  First time my wife saw one it was taxidermied in a bar in Jackson Hole, WY.  She said (not joking) "What the hell IS THAT?"  "A wolf." I said.  It took me about 5 minutes to convince here that it was really a wolf.

[WAcoyotehunter]

Me too the really scary think is that this. wolf is the same kind that is running around the west and in washington

The wolves moving in from canada are not that big.  Around 75-85 lbs. for a mature animal.

[MichaelJ]

Me too the really scary think is that this. wolf is the same kind that is running around the west and in washington

The wolves moving in from canada are not that big.  Around 75-85 lbs. for a mature animal.

I've read they get around 110-120 lbs for a big mature wolf... 75 sounds a little on the LOW side.  Hell my pitbull is 65 lbs and she's not very big...

Michael

[fisheral87]

There are two types though, timber wolves and gray wolves, the gray wolves are the bigger ones and are pushing/killing the timbers out and really doing the damage. That one in the pic is a gray wolf.

[whacker1]

The wolves moving in from Canada are not that big.  Around 75-85 lbs. for a mature animal.

I disagree - The Canadian Grey wolf is what was transplanted to these various release sites in Idaho, Washington, Montana, and Wyoming.  They are the same genetic animal as the ones naturally crossing the BC/WA-ID borders.  The Idaho Game regs - state that the wolves are between 75-120 lbs in comparison to Coyotes being smaller.  But I believe they have recorded in Wyoming as well as Canada to being near 200 lbs on occasion.

A few items that were not factored in when they transplanted the grey wolf from Canada further south to the US:  First off, our winters are more mild than they are in BC & Alberta, purely based on geography.  So, the wolves don't have as difficult of winters to deal with from a survival standpoint, which makes their genetic power to evolve into large animals purely based on nutrition.  

Second, there were few big game predators of significance at the same level in the US as there were in Canada - Specifically the Grizzly or Brown Bear.  The populations of large predators in the US were so small in comparison to BC & Alberta and population of game animals quite high, which allowed the wolf to flourish with very little effort - again allowing their nutrition level to be at far higher levels than what they could achieve in BC & Alberta.

I am not a wildlife bio - but it doesn't take rocket science to figure out that the nutritional value in our children today is far greater than they were 100 years ago, and that is why we are seeing generations of taller people achieved.  The same is true for the Canadian Grey wolf transplanted to a game rich and predator low environment.

One other factor that I don't felt was looked at carefully enough is the fact that our human population density per square mile is much greater in Washington, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming.  We don't have a large enough geographical area to maintain a carrying capacity of wolves with out human / wolf contact taking place.  

Lot of opinion on my part and some common sense - don't take it to the bank, but it should be plausible to most of you.