CMMG Banshee - Anyone familier with it?

[Alchase]

This AR pistol has caught my attention, the CMMG Banshee pistol in 10MM.
Do any of you have any experience with this Pistol or with CMMG?

https://cmmginc.com/product/pistol-banshee-300-mk10-10mm/
and
https://cmmginc.com/product/pistol-banshee-100-mk10-10mm/

[konradcountry]

I looked into building a 10mm pistol but was kind of expensive compared to Blackout.

I'd probably go 4" with a short buffer.

Those Banshees are definitely cool looking though. 

[magnanimous_j]

The 10mm option is really cool. I always thought either 10mm or .357mag would make an awesome subgun.

I also know that CMMG makes some of the best AR pistols around. That said, I have 2 friends who have bought AR pistols in 9mm and said they wished they had gotten a CZ Scorpion instead. AR pistols seem really finicky to me, and the twang of the spring right next to your ear is annoying.

[lamrith]

The 10mm option is really cool. I always thought either 10mm or .357mag would make an awesome subgun.

I also know that CMMG makes some of the best AR pistols around. That said, I have 2 friends who have bought AR pistols in 9mm and said they wished they had gotten a CZ Scorpion instead. AR pistols seem really finicky to me, and the twang of the spring right next to your ear is annoying.

I built my own 9mm AR years ago, I did one with Colt Mags.  Mine ran fine and I never had issues with it.  I even had it runnign reliably with my 9mm suppressor.  That said, I got to shoot a Scorpion and sold my AR9 upper, while I was still at the range.  The scorpion is just on another level honestly.  The shoot smoother and big thing for me was you get no gas in the face regardless of how fast/hard you are running the gun.  The AR9's gassed me out really quick after a few shots.  Sorry to derail..

As to the CMMG Banshee I know it is pretty intriguing to me as well, so hope to hear more from someone that has been hands on with one.  The Delayed blowback is supposed to really reduce the gas in your face I mentioned above.  I am interested in the 45acp pistol upper if they prove to be a decent product.

[fowl smacker]

I have one, I also have a CZ scorpion.  Both are great guns.  I like my Banshee more than my scorpion so I shoot it more.  Mine is in 9mm.  If you're looking for a 9mm AR, the Banshee is probably the best one available.

[lamrith]

I have one, I also have a CZ scorpion.  Both are great guns.  I like my Banshee more than my scorpion so I shoot it more.  Mine is in 9mm.  If you're looking for a 9mm AR, the Banshee is probably the best one available.

That looks awesome! 

Thanks for the info.  Can you elaborate on what it is you like better?  Is it just common controls with other AR's, or something more?

Did you buy the upper and use your own lower, or buy a complete out of the box gun?

[fowl smacker]

I have one, I also have a CZ scorpion.  Both are great guns.  I like my Banshee more than my scorpion so I shoot it more.  Mine is in 9mm.  If you're looking for a 9mm AR, the Banshee is probably the best one available.

That looks awesome! 

Thanks for the info.  Can you elaborate on what it is you like better?  Is it just common controls with other AR's, or something more?

Did you buy the upper and use your own lower, or buy a complete out of the box gun?

I bought mine complete.  I like the ergonomics of the AR platform better.   The stock trigger on the CMMG is better, the radial blowback is awesome.  Even after a trigger upgrade on the scorpion, the CMMG is still better.  The safety selector on the scorpion needs to be upgraded so it doesn't dig into your hand and the stock grip is uncomfortable.  I've done all the upgrades and still like my Banshee better.  Don't get me wrong,  the scorpion is an awesome gun and someone with no AR experience may think it's the best gun ever.  If I could only have one though, it's the Banshee hands down.

[lamrith]

I have one, I also have a CZ scorpion.  Both are great guns.  I like my Banshee more than my scorpion so I shoot it more.  Mine is in 9mm.  If you're looking for a 9mm AR, the Banshee is probably the best one available.

That looks awesome! 

Thanks for the info.  Can you elaborate on what it is you like better?  Is it just common controls with other AR's, or something more?

Did you buy the upper and use your own lower, or buy a complete out of the box gun?

I bought mine complete.  I like the ergonomics of the AR platform better.   The stock trigger on the CMMG is better, the radial blowback is awesome.  Even after a trigger upgrade on the scorpion, the CMMG is still better.  The safety selector on the scorpion needs to be upgraded so it doesn't dig into your hand and the stock grip is uncomfortable.  I've done all the upgrades and still like my Banshee better.  Don't get me wrong,  the scorpion is an awesome gun and someone with no AR experience may think it's the best gun ever.  If I could only have one though, it's the Banshee hands down.

Great info.  Having both AR's and Scorp myself it all makes sense.  How do you find the gas in face is with the can on the banshee?  That is when my AR9 bothered me and made me switch to the Scorp as I always ran 9mm suppressed. 

Thanks Fowl Smacker!

[magnanimous_j]

don't get me wrong,  the scorpion is an awesome gun and someone with no AR experience may think it's the best gun ever. 

That's a really cool looking gun, btw.

I'm curious as to why you think the AR platform is so much better for this? I really want to like AR's. Its just that it seems every one I've ever shot has something weird with it.

[fowl smacker]

don't get me wrong,  the scorpion is an awesome gun and someone with no AR experience may think it's the best gun ever. 

That's a really cool looking gun, btw.

I'm curious as to why you think the AR platform is so much better for this? I really want to like AR's. Its just that it seems every one I've ever shot has something weird with it.

I don't necessarily think the AR platform is "better", it is just more comfortable for me.  The Scorpion is a great gun too, and non AR guys may like them better.  I always shoot with glasses on and the blowback while suppressed doesn't really bother me.  It is more noticeable on my 300blk, but still not all that bad.  Another plus the Banshee has for it is that it takes Glock mags which are available pretty much everywhere.

[b23]

Would the CMMG Banshee but comparable to say the Sig MCX or MPX  Rattler?

These things a definitely cool as he11 looking.

[fowl smacker]

Would the CMMG Banshee but comparable to say the Sig MCX or MPX  Rattler?

These things a definitely cool as he11 looking.

I have no personal experience with either.  I'm sure they're awesome firearms as well.  They have an awesome price tag on them.

[magnanimous_j]

I don't understand the appeal of rifle-caliber pistols. A 5.56 out of a 5" barrel has roughly the same kinetic energy as a 9mm out of the same length barrel.

[Special T]

I don't understand the appeal of rifle-caliber pistols. A 5.56 out of a 5" barrel has roughly the same kinetic energy as a 9mm out of the same length barrel.

I think the only reason would be standardization of ammo and mags. I've shot some with a 10" barrel with an arm brace that are cool.

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[Special T]

If I felt the need for a pistol caliber carbine I would go with one of these.

https://mechtechsys.com

I've seen some video of the 10mm, and if i had a pistol in that caliber id be tempted.

Hitchcock 45 has some videos on them.

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[lamrith]

If I felt the need for a pistol caliber carbine I would go with one of these.

https://mechtechsys.com

I've seen some video of the 10mm, and if i had a pistol in that caliber id be tempted.

Hitchcock 45 has some videos on them.

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I think you have his question backward he was asking about rifle calibers in a pistol..  223 8" barrel, etc?

[Special T]

If I felt the need for a pistol caliber carbine I would go with one of these.

https://mechtechsys.com

I've seen some video of the 10mm, and if i had a pistol in that caliber id be tempted.

Hitchcock 45 has some videos on them.

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I think you have his question backward he was asking about rifle calibers in a pistol..  223 8" barrel, etc?

The OP was talking about a 10mm ar styled pistol. Most of us understand that it is the desire to a "pistol" with rifle like operation. While you cant go that short the the Mech Tech uppers their executive has a telescoping but pad that minimizes the size pretty good.

[lamrith]

If I felt the need for a pistol caliber carbine I would go with one of these.

https://mechtechsys.com

I've seen some video of the 10mm, and if i had a pistol in that caliber id be tempted.

Hitchcock 45 has some videos on them.

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I think you have his question backward he was asking about rifle calibers in a pistol..  223 8" barrel, etc?

The OP was talking about a 10mm ar styled pistol. Most of us understand that it is the desire to a "pistol" with rifle like operation. While you cant go that short the the Mech Tech uppers their executive has a telescoping but pad that minimizes the size pretty good.

I meant to quote Magnanimous, sorry about that...

[b23]

I don't understand the appeal of rifle-caliber pistols. A 5.56 out of a 5" barrel has roughly the same kinetic energy as a 9mm out of the same length barrel.

I think the only reason would be standardization of ammo and mags. I've shot some with a 10" barrel with an arm brace that are cool.

My Sig MCX pistol is chambered in 5.56 but the barrel on it is 11.5 I don't think I'd want one any shorter in 5.56 but I wouldn't mind having a 300blk upper with a 9 inch for it.

[Special T]

I don't understand the appeal of rifle-caliber pistols. A 5.56 out of a 5" barrel has roughly the same kinetic energy as a 9mm out of the same length barrel.

I think the only reason would be standardization of ammo and mags. I've shot some with a 10" barrel with an arm brace that are cool.

My Sig MCX pistol is chambered in 5.56 but the barrel on it is 11.5 I don't think I'd want one any shorter in 5.56 but I wouldn't mind having a 300blk upper with a 9 inch for it.

you could make the case that a 300 black out with a short barrel and a can would be great

[b23]

I don't understand the appeal of rifle-caliber pistols. A 5.56 out of a 5" barrel has roughly the same kinetic energy as a 9mm out of the same length barrel.

I think the only reason would be standardization of ammo and mags. I've shot some with a 10" barrel with an arm brace that are cool.

My Sig MCX pistol is chambered in 5.56 but the barrel on it is 11.5 I don't think I'd want one any shorter in 5.56 but I wouldn't mind having a 300blk upper with a 9 inch for it.

you could make the case that a 300 black out with a short barrel and a can would be great

I like the way you think and that's exactly what I'd do.  In fact I have a Dead Air Ghost that would work/look really good screwed on the end of a 300blk 9in upper.

[Special T]

If I was 1 trying to set myself up for preparedness I'd have a pistol and a carbine of the same caliber. 9mm 10mm or 556. I'm not a big 556 pistol fan, BUT if I had an AR it could make sense. If I had a pistol them Mech Tech seems like the right solution. Especially if you combined it with an 80% glock lower. I'm personally not an 10mm fan but I have heard they make awesome carbine rounds...
I get the whole redundancy goal even if the caliber/ barrel length isnt optimum.

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[fowl smacker]

I don't understand the appeal of rifle-caliber pistols. A 5.56 out of a 5" barrel has roughly the same kinetic energy as a 9mm out of the same length barrel.

I think the only reason would be standardization of ammo and mags. I've shot some with a 10" barrel with an arm brace that are cool.

My Sig MCX pistol is chambered in 5.56 but the barrel on it is 11.5 I don't think I'd want one any shorter in 5.56 but I wouldn't mind having a 300blk upper with a 9 inch for it.

you could make the case that a 300 black out with a short barrel and a can would be great

I like the way you think and that's exactly what I'd do.  In fact I have a Dead Air Ghost that would work/look really good screwed on the end of a 300blk 9in upper.

I have a 300blk pistol that I shoot suppressed and it's great, but it's WAY more expensive to shoot than my 9mm.  If you want to practice a bunch it's not really the gun you want, unless you like spending a boat load more on ammo.  Here is a pic of mine.

[b23]

Nice! 

[konradcountry]

I don't understand the appeal of rifle-caliber pistols. A 5.56 out of a 5" barrel has roughly the same kinetic energy as a 9mm out of the same length barrel.

5.56 out of a 5" barrel is pretty extreme.

5.56 out of a 7.5" is a lot more common and you get more energy than a 357 mag. But I don't think people normally build them for practical reasons. Short ARs are just damn fun.

But Blackout is the way to go in something that small. You get a lot more energy even in a 5". In fact once you go past 10" with Blackout there are minimal gains.