2020 Archery Elk....fact or fiction

[Special T]

jrebel you mentioned that the Director could do something about tribal harvest. What specifically do you think he can do? There is plenty of inside baseball details to solve these complex problems, so if you dove into them please share.

[jrebel]

jrebel you mentioned that the Director could do something about tribal harvest. What specifically do you think he can do? There is plenty of inside baseball details to solve these complex problems, so if you dove into them please share.

I get it...it's an uphill battle.  It is going to take our elected and appointed officials saying enough is enough.  It is extremely political and nothing we do as average citizens is going to get it done.  We can support the efforts with petitions, financial contributions and elections...voting in people that can change it. 

At the very least....it would be nice if our elected and appointed officials stood up and made public statements denouncing the actions of native harvest.  Instead they refuse to because of how politicized it is.  Show me a statement made by any of our last directors denouncing native harvest.  They all likely feel the way we as sportsman feel....I know a lot of the officers do....but nothing gets said or done. 

Now....I think we all agree that native harvest is going to continue.  So what can WDFW do to enhance our hunting....accept native harvest and change the predator situation we are in.  Open a trapping season on cougars, year around hunting on cougars, OTC spring bear tags, de-list and allow wolf harvest, baiting for bear, dogs for bear and cats.....and the list goes on.  Instead they investigate wolf depredation on cattle / livestock and blame it on coyotes, the neighbors domestic dogs ect....  WDFW has a track record for not managing game, and until they change that.....It is awfully hard to have a lot of faith in them. 

Just look at recent events with covid.....shut it all down!!   Personal interactions of guilty until proven innocent!!  I'm not a tinfoil wearing hat kind of guy.....actually pretty down to earth level headed normal Joe. 

I have for years....and most recently last week.....emailed and gave input on and to WDFW to try and effect change.  It never helps, they do what they want to do. 

I have for years given back to our sport.  I promote youth hunting, I donate to multiple organizations and events.  I speak my voice and submit comment back to WDFW  on the regular.  As for this cow hunt public period of speaking, I found out to late......maybe because everything else going on in the world and my job demanding more of me at current times.  Regardless....they had their mind made up. 

To have some internet punk tell me to stop bitchen (using his words that are not censored) is laughable. 

[Bango skank]

jrebel you mentioned that the Director could do something about tribal harvest. What specifically do you think he can do? There is plenty of inside baseball details to solve these complex problems, so if you dove into them please share.

I get it...it's an uphill battle.  It is going to take our elected and appointed officials saying enough is enough.  It is extremely political and nothing we do as average citizens is going to get it done.  We can support the efforts with petitions, financial contributions and elections...voting in people that can change it. 

At the very least....it would be nice if our elected and appointed officials stood up and made public statements denouncing the actions of native harvest.  Instead they refuse to because of how politicized it is.  Show me a statement made by any of our last directors denouncing native harvest.  They all likely feel the way we as sportsman feel....I know a lot of the officers do....but nothing gets said or done. 

Now....I think we all agree that native harvest is going to continue.  So what can WDFW do to enhance our hunting....accept native harvest and change the predator situation we are in.  Open a trapping season on cougars, year around hunting on cougars, OTC spring bear tags, de-list and allow wolf harvest, baiting for bear, dogs for bear and cats.....and the list goes on.  Instead they investigate wolf depredation on cattle / livestock and blame it on coyotes, the neighbors domestic dogs ect....  WDFW has a track record for not managing game, and until they change that.....It is awfully hard to have a lot of faith in them. 

Just look at recent events with covid.....shut it all down!!   Personal interactions of guilty until proven innocent!!  I'm not a tinfoil wearing hat kind of guy.....actually pretty down to earth level headed normal Joe. 

I have for years....and most recently last week.....emailed and gave input on and to WDFW to try and effect change.  It never helps, they do what they want to do. 

I have for years given back to our sport.  I promote youth hunting, I donate to multiple organizations and events.  I speak my voice and submit comment back to WDFW  on the regular. As for this cow hunt public period of speaking, I found out to late......maybe because everything else going on in the world and my job demanding more of me at current times.  Regardless....they had their mind made up. 

To have some internet punk tell me to stop bitchen (using his words that are not censored) is laughable.

This is your quote. "This is the reason I don't respond to their open comments"

Youre contradicting yourself.

[Special T]

jrebel you mentioned that the Director could do something about tribal harvest. What specifically do you think he can do? There is plenty of inside baseball details to solve these complex problems, so if you dove into them please share.

I get it...it's an uphill battle.  It is going to take our elected and appointed officials saying enough is enough.  It is extremely political and nothing we do as average citizens is going to get it done.  We can support the efforts with petitions, financial contributions and elections...voting in people that can change it. 

At the very least....it would be nice if our elected and appointed officials stood up and made public statements denouncing the actions of native harvest.  Instead they refuse to because of how politicized it is.  Show me a statement made by any of our last directors denouncing native harvest.  They all likely feel the way we as sportsman feel....I know a lot of the officers do....but nothing gets said or done. 

Now....I think we all agree that native harvest is going to continue.  So what can WDFW do to enhance our hunting....accept native harvest and change the predator situation we are in.  Open a trapping season on cougars, year around hunting on cougars, OTC spring bear tags, de-list and allow wolf harvest, baiting for bear, dogs for bear and cats.....and the list goes on.  Instead they investigate wolf depredation on cattle / livestock and blame it on coyotes, the neighbors domestic dogs ect....  WDFW has a track record for not managing game, and until they change that.....It is awfully hard to have a lot of faith in them. 

Just look at recent events with covid.....shut it all down!!   Personal interactions of guilty until proven innocent!!  I'm not a tinfoil wearing hat kind of guy.....actually pretty down to earth level headed normal Joe. 

I have for years....and most recently last week.....emailed and gave input on and to WDFW to try and effect change.  It never helps, they do what they want to do. 

I have for years given back to our sport.  I promote youth hunting, I donate to multiple organizations and events.  I speak my voice and submit comment back to WDFW  on the regular.  As for this cow hunt public period of speaking, I found out to late......maybe because everything else going on in the world and my job demanding more of me at current times.  Regardless....they had their mind made up. 

To have some internet punk tell me to stop bitchen (using his words that are not censored) is laughable.

You havent said anything specific, and that is probably my biggest gripe on here. You only made one point that sort of on point.

Here is what we know so far. Director Suswind has abided by the agreements made in the past and acted with urgency. (more than past directors have done) He politely pushed back at his boss about wolves.

Inslee has vetoed Cougar quoata increases in the past. He appoints people to the council.  IF we want to make the biggest change then we need a new governor. hopefully folks open thier wallet for the Republican candidate whom ever it is, and I bet Inslee is the most vulnerable he has ever been.

Im not really sure that sticking the finger in the eyes of the tribes with no potential resolution, but only down side is a good thing. Since the department lacks trust and that is what is necessary to solve problems, shouldn't the director find a way to build some trust with the tribes as well?   Some tribes work with the WDFW some hate it with a passion, so they are not all equal in this regard.

[Bango skank]

jrebel you mentioned that the Director could do something about tribal harvest. What specifically do you think he can do? There is plenty of inside baseball details to solve these complex problems, so if you dove into them please share.

I get it...it's an uphill battle.  It is going to take our elected and appointed officials saying enough is enough.  It is extremely political and nothing we do as average citizens is going to get it done.  We can support the efforts with petitions, financial contributions and elections...voting in people that can change it. 

At the very least....it would be nice if our elected and appointed officials stood up and made public statements denouncing the actions of native harvest.  Instead they refuse to because of how politicized it is.  Show me a statement made by any of our last directors denouncing native harvest.  They all likely feel the way we as sportsman feel....I know a lot of the officers do....but nothing gets said or done. 

Now....I think we all agree that native harvest is going to continue.  So what can WDFW do to enhance our hunting....accept native harvest and change the predator situation we are in.  Open a trapping season on cougars, year around hunting on cougars, OTC spring bear tags, de-list and allow wolf harvest, baiting for bear, dogs for bear and cats.....and the list goes on.  Instead they investigate wolf depredation on cattle / livestock and blame it on coyotes, the neighbors domestic dogs ect....  WDFW has a track record for not managing game, and until they change that.....It is awfully hard to have a lot of faith in them. 

Just look at recent events with covid.....shut it all down!!   Personal interactions of guilty until proven innocent!!  I'm not a tinfoil wearing hat kind of guy.....actually pretty down to earth level headed normal Joe. 

I have for years....and most recently last week.....emailed and gave input on and to WDFW to try and effect change.  It never helps, they do what they want to do. 

I have for years given back to our sport.  I promote youth hunting, I donate to multiple organizations and events.  I speak my voice and submit comment back to WDFW  on the regular.  As for this cow hunt public period of speaking, I found out to late......maybe because everything else going on in the world and my job demanding more of me at current times.  Regardless....they had their mind made up. 

To have some internet punk tell me to stop bitchen (using his words that are not censored) is laughable.

You havent said anything specific, and that is probably my biggest gripe on here. You only made one point that sort of on point.

Here is what we know so far. Director Suswind has abided by the agreements made in the past and acted with urgency. (more than past directors have done) He politely pushed back at his boss about wolves.

Inslee has vetoed Cougar quoata increases in the past. He appoints people to the council.  IF we want to make the biggest change then we need a new governor. hopefully folks open thier wallet for the Republican candidate whom ever it is, and I bet Inslee is the most vulnerable he has ever been.

Im not really sure that sticking the finger in the eyes of the tribes with no potential resolution, but only down side is a good thing. Since the department lacks trust and that is what is necessary to solve problems, shouldn't the director find a way to build some trust with the tribes as well?   Some tribes work with the WDFW some hate it with a passion, so they are not all equal in this regard.

This is absolutely correct, and a big problem.  But it seems that some of inslees commission appointees, including the committee chairman, have somewhat of an open mind and are listening to reason, and even pushing back against high level wdfw staff.  There is a realistic chance that next year we will see cougar proposals, at least for the northeast region (i know its needed elsewhere, but this is a foot in the door), significantly beyond what we got this year.  We just have to keep pushing it and being squeaky wheels.

[Stein]

The problem with getting a new governor is that he is hugely popular now, probably under 5% chance for any republican.  Our only hope would be to get a democrat more like the other western states democrats, someone who was more aligned with our interests.  I'm not sure where they would come from either.

Outside of that, it's lawsuits and citizen's initiatives.  Any of these options requires far more coordination and dollars than sportsmen have done in the past.

[Special T]

AND guess who will be replaced on the commission next year? Chairman Carpenter, who could be replaced with some one not nearly as even handed and thoughtful.  A certain wingnut from the west side.

[Bango skank]

AND guess who will be replaced on the commission next year? Chairman Carpenter, who could be replaced with some one not nearly as even handed and thoughtful.  A certain wingnut from the west side.

That sucks.  He seems like a good guy overall, that actually gives a s***.  He actually cornered me in a restroom while i was washing my hands to question me on several things after i spoke at a commission meeting.  Those arent the actions of somebody who is tuning you out.  He was listening, and was clearly concerned or at least interested in what i had said, and wasnt just writing me off. 

[Special T]

AND guess who will be replaced on the commission next year? Chairman Carpenter, who could be replaced with some one not nearly as even handed and thoughtful.  A certain wingnut from the west side.

That sucks.  He seems like a good guy overall, that actually gives a s***.  He actually cornered me in a restroom while i was washing my hands to question me on several things after i spoke at a commission meeting.  Those arent the actions of somebody who is tuning you out.  He was listening, and was clearly concerned or at least interested in what i had said, and wasnt just writing me off.

I think our current commission is pretty good. Replacing him with and non consumptive/animal rights activist will hurt sportsmen bad.

[Tbar]

Is that fact or speculation Special T?

[Bango skank]

Is that fact or speculation Special T?

The commissioners appointments come up for renewal or replacement.  Just look st jay holzmiller from SE WA, thst guy gave a damn, and was sympathetic to our plight.  When his time came he was replaced.  He didnt toe the line.

[Tbar]

Is that fact or speculation Special T?

The commissioners appointments come up for renewal or replacement.  Just look st jay holzmiller from SE WA, thst guy gave a damn, and was sympathetic to our plight.  When his time came he was replaced.  He didnt toe the line.

Isn't Molly his replacement? Is she a sheep who toes a line or someone delivering a similar message in a more articulate manner?  Honest question.

[Bango skank]

I dont know, jay spoke in support of her, but i guess time will tell where she stands.

[Special T]

Is that fact or speculation Special T?

The commissioners appointments come up for renewal or replacement.  Just look st jay holzmiller from SE WA, thst guy gave a damn, and was sympathetic to our plight.  When his time came he was replaced.  He didnt toe the line.

Isn't Molly his replacement? Is she a sheep who toes a line or someone delivering a similar message in a more articulate manner?  Honest question.

She replaced Jay Holtzmiller i think. 

Jay was a friend of sportsmen but didnt mintz words.  I have heard good things about Molly but I get the feeling she wont be as rock solid as Jay. I hope my take is wrong.

This is why i say there is a lot of inside baseball. Most sportsmen dont know anything about their commissioners, less have read their bio, and even less have dug in to find out how they think, who they associate with or who they were in competition with when they were appointed.

I couldnt find where Carpenters term is up but im 99% it is next year. He has been on a long time. Im not sure if there is a term limit but even if there isnt i would bet they want to rotate in some new blood.

[Tbar]

Is that fact or speculation Special T?

The commissioners appointments come up for renewal or replacement.  Just look st jay holzmiller from SE WA, thst guy gave a damn, and was sympathetic to our plight.  When his time came he was replaced.  He didnt toe the line.

Isn't Molly his replacement? Is she a sheep who toes a line or someone delivering a similar message in a more articulate manner?  Honest question.

She replaced Jay Holtzmiller i think. 

Jay was a friend of sportsmen but didnt mintz words.  I have heard good things about Molly but I get the feeling she wont be as rock solid as Jay. I hope my take is wrong.

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I couldnt find where Carpenters term is up but im 99% it is next year. He has been on a long time. Im not sure if there is a term limit but even if there isnt i would bet they want to rotate in some new blood.

So did either there silver arrow or wwa weigh in with the commission or governors office when Jay was replaced? Inside baseball is a bold claim when so much is public. Sometimes decisions are made with the information provided. I don't think Jay had bad intentions but often was derailed by delivery. If you support Carpenter now is the time to start lobbying for retaining him.