Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes

[furbearer365]

If there is state land (state of Washington is okay with E-bikes) beyond these gates that the timber company's have control of I will use the right-of-way or easement to get to said state land on my E-bike. I'm sorry if I ride by someone and you get mad but I'm tired of all this state land being land locked that is to far to get to by walking. If I get in trouble so be it. There is a RCW for e-bike use on state




 I agree with you, on a small level. I don't like state land being blocked off to the people of this state. Timber companies aren't denying you access to state land, they are setting rules to THEIR land. Just because they dont give you complete access in the means that you wish, doesn't mean they are blocking you from state land.  I live on the Cowlitz River, and by no means own the river, but using your reasoning, I would have to allow anybody to park their truck on my land and walk across my property to access the river, simply because its public owned.  If a person can access the river legally from other means, I have no say so as to what they do.  But it also doesn't mean I owe people access to it from my property.  The same goes for Timber company's. If you have a way to access state land by following the rules of adjacent land owners, then they dont care what you do once on said State ground.

[BA Mongor]

Regardless of if there is an easement or not, your crossing onto "PRIVATE LAND".

As someone said, each "Owner" of that land has their own rules in place. And in this case, Hancock and Sierra Pacific don't allow e-bikes. I would assume that If I removed my battery from my e-bike it would be ok. Either way, you can't use e-bikes on their land. Period!

It doesn't matter if your trying to get to State Land or as someone said "My Land", they don't allow it. We should be grateful that they still allow us to freely access their land to hunt and fish or whatever.

Be grateful for that, as it could end at anytime they wish and there would be nothing we can do about it. Unless your like a couple people on this site and just don't care and will do whatever you want, anytime you want !!! Like I said previously, I wish there was a greater punishment for those that blatantly disregard the land Owners rules. 

[Stein]

If there is a legal easement allowing vehicular access, go for it.  If not, it’s not legal.  Landlocked public sucks, but that doesn’t justify trespassing.

Support organizations that buy access, RMEF does some.


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[walt]

If there is a legal easement allowing vehicular access, go for it.  If not, it’s not legal.  Landlocked public sucks, but that doesn’t justify trespassing.

Support organizations that buy access, RMEF does some.


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  Easements are also typically written as to the what not the how, providing for ingress/egress, utilities....not what method of travel is acceptable.  The land owner still owns the land the easement passes over and they can (usually) dictate what method of travel is acceptable on their land.

[bbarnes]

The state law say any bike under 750 watt is a class one bicycle get over it .the way I see it is people are spread out there the new snow board. They don't spread weeds like horses there quit there green and get older people outdoors.

[BA Mongor]

State Law???
Get over what? Obeying private property rules and regulations?

You're on private land, and they "Sierra Pacific and Hancock" don't allow e-bikes on their property. Deal with it. I still don't understand how some don't or can't understand that. It's not hard to understand.

If you owned a couple hundred thousand acres, you might allow it, but you don't. Or at least I assume you don't, and if you do, can I use my e-bike on your land?

If you use their lands like I do, we are guests and should respect their rules. 

[bbarnes]

If they allow bicycles then certain e bikes fall under that rule that's what I'm saying.

[bbarnes]

One question would you ticket a disabled hunter in a motorized tracked wheel chair?

[trophyhunt]

If they allow bicycles then certain e bikes fall under that rule that's what I'm saying.

[High Climber]

If they allow bicycles then certain e bikes fall under that rule that's what I'm saying.

Guys that’s BS. They can allow access in whatever fashion they choose. What the state recognizes as a bicycle has no bearing on what a private landowner has to recognize.

[MtnMuley]

If they allow bicycles then certain e bikes fall under that rule that's what I'm saying.

Guys that’s BS. They can allow access in whatever fashion they choose. What the state recognizes as a bicycle has no bearing on what a private landowner has to recognize.

 

[JakeLand]

When it comes to it rules are rules . If they’re legal AND allowed I’ll ride my ebike and just like elk season this year I was back riding my regular mountain bike and trailer and I’m not whining about it as in reality they don’t have to allow access at all

[SGTDuffman]

Why does this topic keep coming up? If it’s closed to motorized access, it’s closed to e-bikes, period. An e-bike has a motor. Bikes are allowed places e-bikes are not for this exact reason. The motor is the difference, and private land owners get to dictate the conditions of entry, if any, for their property. If you violate those conditions you’re guilty of criminal trespass. You likewise have no “right” to use private property as an easement to otherwise inaccessible public land. You must obtain easement rights from the property owner to have access.

This stuff isn’t that complicated. If you don’t own it or have explicit permission from the owner to be there doing what you’re doing, how you’re doing it, then you’re wrong. There’s no gray area to debate. And the more people who disregard simple rules, the more likely we all lose what little access we have.

I have zero tolerance for people who didregard the posted rules. I report all of them I come across, because I’m not willing to risk losing access for me, my kids, or my friends. We’re all supposed to be conservationists. If you guys like having places and animals to hunt you better weed out every bad actor you can, or you’ll lose access to both.

[BA Mongor]

Exactly SGT !
Well said.

It would be great if everyone thought like this. And with that, elk opener is Saturday and I'll be up in that area I was previously and can't wait to see how many of the rule breakers I run into. They're all going to be in for a surprise!!

Even if they do try going in really early, they pretty much have to come in off of a Weyerhaeuser mainline using an access pass and they'll be in for a rude awakening.

[Bullkllr]

Why does this topic keep coming up? If it’s closed to motorized access, it’s closed to e-bikes, period. An e-bike has a motor. Bikes are allowed places e-bikes are not for this exact reason. The motor is the difference, and private land owners get to dictate the conditions of entry, if any, for their property. If you violate those conditions you’re guilty of criminal trespass. You likewise have no “right” to use private property as an easement to otherwise inaccessible public land. You must obtain easement rights from the property owner to have access.

This stuff isn’t that complicated. If you don’t own it or have explicit permission from the owner to be there doing what you’re doing, how you’re doing it, then you’re wrong. There’s no gray area to debate. And the more people who disregard simple rules, the more likely we all lose what little access we have.

I have zero tolerance for people who didregard the posted rules. I report all of them I come across, because I’m not willing to risk losing access for me, my kids, or my friends. We’re all supposed to be conservationists. If you guys like having places and animals to hunt you better weed out every bad actor you can, or you’ll lose access to both.

Well said. I don't get it either.