SHIPPING OF FIREARMS-WARNING

[sisu]

If you think you can ship modern firearms to a buyer you are DEAD wrong. You can ship a gun to the manufacturer, to a gun smith or to yourself as long as YOU open the package where it arrives.

I just off the phone with Dave Workman from the 2nd Amendment people, so I know this information is accurate and correct.

You have to use an FFL dealer plain and simple.

[jackelope]

i don't know how true that is within state bounds.
definitely true when crossing state lines. it becomes interstate commerce and becomes a federally regulated activity....i have called the ATF and asked them because i have about 15 long guns and pistols in NY that need to be sent to me.

[huntnphool]

i have about 15 long guns and pistols in NY that need to be sent to me.

 ROAD TRIP!!!!!

[jackelope]

it may be a worthwhile trip the prices i am having to pay... i have 2 of them inbound right now. $70.00 down and they're not even here yet.
another $70 when they get here.
handguns, from NY anyway, have to go from an FFL holder to an FFL holder so you get the double wammy. the long guns can be shipped from my dad to an FFL holder, and the transfer fees are a little less, so those won't be so bad.

[woodswalker]

done the roadtrip a time or two...its worth the hassles....for getting you own guns...not for purchases

[CP]

Long guns shipped within WA do not need to go through an FFL

[jackelope]

Long guns shipped within WA do not need to go through an FFL

agreed.

[boneaddict]

I'll be headed to Maine this fall for moose, so have your Dad meet me.   

[huntnphool]

Grab your cameras and hit the road, "WILD HOGS"

[jackelope]

I'll be headed to Maine this fall for moose, so have your Dad meet me.   

his buddy is the guy who is the moose hunter. i'm sure he'd be happy to meet, as long as you don't mind a spotter or 2 on your moose hunt. 

 

back on track gentlemen.

[boneaddict]

course there are probably CWP ramifications if you are driving across statelines as well.  hmmmmm is that a threadjack or along the same lines.

[jackelope]

i think as long as they are in your posession then you are ok.
i could ship the guns in my name from NY to myself here in WA but that would be bending the rules some and i don't want to do that.

[huntnphool]

If they are not loaded and in the trunk it shouldnt be a problem.

 :jacked:back on track gentlemen.

 

[boneaddict]

I was at the post office the other day and  a guy in front of me got a box of ammunition in from a private party.  He just about couldn't carry it it was so heavy.  Postal clerk said, wow thats heavy and the guy goes, yep its a whole bucnh of ammo.  You can't buy any here so I bought it on ebay........   I thought that was wrong in so many ways, but the clerk didn't bat an eye.

[sisu]

I'll tell ya what you do what you think is legal. The prisons are full of people that thought that way.

[boneaddict]

So what brought this up Scott, were you planning on sending something or did you buy something?

[jackelope]

http://www.thegunzone.com/ship-guns.html

scroll down................

[sisu]

Miles is absolutely correct according to the people I talked to this AM but I was looking into shipping to another party and I get too many conflicting opinions, so to be on the safe side I will not ship to another party no matter where they are located  unless there is a FFL license involved.

I'd rather pay more, or lose the sale rather than face some legal problem.

[jackelope]

i believe it states that in the link i posted as well...re: UPS policy.

B. UNLICENSED PERSONS


(B1) To whom may an unlicensed person transfer firearms under the GCA? [Back]


A person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of his State, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may loan or rent a firearm to a resident of any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may sell or transfer a firearm to a licensee in any State. However, a firearm other than a curio or relic may not be transferred interstate to a licensed collector.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(d), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]



(B2) From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA? [Back]

A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee's premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]



(B3) May an unlicensed person obtain a firearm from an out-of-State source if the person arranges to obtain the firearm through a licensed dealer in the purchaser’s own State? [Back]


A person not licensed under the GCA and not prohibited from acquiring firearms may purchase a firearm from an out-of-State source and obtain the firearm if an arrangement is made with a licensed dealer in the purchaser's State of residence for the purchaser to obtain the firearm from the dealer.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and 922(b)(3)]

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b1

[Mike450r]

I was at the post office the other day and  a guy in front of me got a box of ammunition in from a private party.  He just about couldn't carry it it was so heavy.  Postal clerk said, wow thats heavy and the guy goes, yep its a whole bucnh of ammo.  You can't buy any here so I bought it on ebay........   I thought that was wrong in so many ways, but the clerk didn't bat an eye.

I have shipped tons of ammo,  it has been a few year but the only requirement was that the box be stamped or labeled "small arms ammunition"

[bobcat]

I walked into the post office in Tumwater, and mailed a rifle to a guy in Michigan, no problem. It went to a FFL holder of his choosing. The USPS didn't have a problem with it. If it was illegal I think they would have told me.

[Al Bundy]

My dad just shipped a couple of rifles to me a month or so ago. As long as it's in state, you don't need to go through an FFL. The postman told him to put them in a plain box with nothing on the outside saying what's in there.

UPS is a pain in the ass to ship guns through. If I remember right, they have the most restrictive rules. Then Fed Ex. USPS is the easiest, and they deliver on Saturdays for no extra charge.

[KillBilly]

Rebuttal:

All of the above are only partially correct.
Consult the (Domestic Mailing Manual ) DMM 601.1.3 at :
http://pe.usps.gov/cpim/ftp/manuals/dmm300/full/mailingStandards.pdf
for clarification.

11.3 Rifles and Shotguns
Although unloaded rifles and shotguns not precluded by 11.1.1e and 11.1.2 are
mailable, mailers must comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law
90-618, 18 USC 921, et seq., and the rules and regulations promulgated
thereunder, 27 CFR 178, as well as state and local laws. The mailer may be required
by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the
gun is unloaded and not precluded by 11.1.1e.

The referenced sections do point out what does not qualify. The US Post Office is pretty casual about this as long as they are packed correctly and you are willing if asked to open it or sign a statement that the weapon is unloaded.

11.1.2 Handguns
Pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person
(referred to as handguns) are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in
11.1.3 and 11.1.5 after the filing of an affidavit or statement required by 11.1.4 and
11.1.6.

11.1.3 - 11.1.6 do not apply to what you are suggesting. This the USPS Bible. Heed it well


They will mail anywheree in the U.S. by this rule

[sisu]

  KillBilly

I've been re-educated and sentenced to eating heart to fart diet, so now I'm 

[bearpaw]

sisu, I didn't know you could ship guns at all without a gun dealer sending them....just to verify.....you said a person could ship to himself or to a manufacturer without using a gun dealer??

[bobcat]

The person shipping the gun never needs a gun dealer, it's the person on the receiving end that needs the gun dealer. If it's being shipped to yourself or a gun manufacturer then no, a gun dealer wouldn't be required at the receiving end either.

[NataSS]

i don't know how true that is within state bounds.
definitely true when crossing state lines. it becomes interstate commerce and becomes a federally regulated activity....i have called the ATF and asked them because i have about 15 long guns and pistols in NY that need to be sent to me.

I have a guy in everett that only charges 15.00 transfer fee.  ALOT better than some of the larger shops in the area.    Last place i checked wanted 65.00.  I can check with him if that is per fire arm OR if he can do it per "load" so to speak.

[flashover52]

Why not split the firearms up -- remove the shotgun barrel, remove the bolt, etc.. At that point, if they aren't in the same package, they're nothing more than parts.   

[jackelope]

the action is the firearm at that point. still requires federally regulated shipping laws.

[rainshadow1]

I have an FFL guy who will recieve for $25. 

[carpsniperg2]

my dealer i use will only let me ship used guns to him 25.00 it it if its his choice he says that if it is new he wants to be the one selling it to me