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Re: WA rifle law question?
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2023, 06:28:51 PM »
legality aside ... when i had my gas port completely closed on my AR ... the bolt locked up something fierce when i fired it. took a lot of pounding to open the bolt.

My curiosity is peaked!

Why would you shoot your rifles with your gas port completely closed  :dunno:
Your buffer and spring would not be able to function correctly.
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Re: WA rifle law question?
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2023, 07:57:11 PM »
Law says AR-15 in all forms.  So, the question is what makes an AR-15 an AR-15?  Is it function, identical parts, certain parts, model number?  Nobody knows until someone rolls the dice to find out.

They also define assault weapons and that definition wouldn't fit the modification as it's not a semi-automatic rifle any longer.  Whether you can have a temporary modification to prevent semi-auto operation or not isn't clear.

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Re: WA rifle law question?
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2023, 08:00:23 PM »
legality aside ... when i had my gas port completely closed on my AR ... the bolt locked up something fierce when i fired it. took a lot of pounding to open the bolt.

My curiosity is peaked!

Why would you shoot your rifles with your gas port completely closed  :dunno:
Your buffer and spring would not be able to function correctly.

Turns your semiauto into a manual auto straight pull. Combined with a suppressor, it's the quietest a person can make the platform.

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Re: WA rifle law question?
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2023, 10:45:19 AM »
legality aside ... when i had my gas port completely closed on my AR ... the bolt locked up something fierce when i fired it. took a lot of pounding to open the bolt.

My curiosity is peaked!

Why would you shoot your rifles with your gas port completely closed  :dunno:
Your buffer and spring would not be able to function correctly.

Turns your semiauto into a manual auto straight pull. Combined with a suppressor, it's the quietest a person can make the platform.

Interesting, I would have never thought of it.
Thank you

Seems like it would be more efficient to just suppress a bolt action.
Only 2 defining forces sacrificed themselves for you:
The American Soldier and Jesus Christ. One died for your freedom, the other for your soul.

My rock,
He trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle.
Psalm 144.1

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Re: WA rifle law question?
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2023, 12:56:11 PM »
legality aside ... when i had my gas port completely closed on my AR ... the bolt locked up something fierce when i fired it. took a lot of pounding to open the bolt.

My curiosity is peaked!

Why would you shoot your rifles with your gas port completely closed  :dunno:
Your buffer and spring would not be able to function correctly.

Turns your semiauto into a manual auto straight pull. Combined with a suppressor, it's the quietest a person can make the platform.

Interesting, I would have never thought of it.
Thank you

Seems like it would be more efficient to just suppress a bolt action.

I dream of a day where I have a gun for every combination of caliber / function / purpose that i can find. I would need to buy a storage container to put them all in which would be an awesome problem to have.

For those like me and probably you who dont have that problem, I could see the utility in swapping uppers, or even just a gas block to change between quiet bolt action and semi-auto lead spitter without committing my wallet to two completely different platforms. 
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Re: WA rifle law question?
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2023, 01:25:56 PM »
legality aside ... when i had my gas port completely closed on my AR ... the bolt locked up something fierce when i fired it. took a lot of pounding to open the bolt.

My curiosity is peaked!

Why would you shoot your rifles with your gas port completely closed  :dunno:
Your buffer and spring would not be able to function correctly.

Turns your semiauto into a manual auto straight pull. Combined with a suppressor, it's the quietest a person can make the platform.

Interesting, I would have never thought of it.
Thank you

Seems like it would be more efficient to just suppress a bolt action.
You’re welcome.
Financially it can be a better option to use an adjustable gas block, for example, your caliber of choice isn’t not commercially available in a bolt gun.
Custom bolt gun vs off the shelf part price difference is BIGLY.

However, if I could have a $500-$600 6.8 SPC bolt gun, I would buy that instead of getting an adjustable gas block my semiauto.


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Re: WA rifle law question?
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2023, 02:06:26 PM »
I'm no gun lawyer but if you welded the port closed I think it's no longer a semi auto.  Simply turning your gas block around backwards won't cut it because it's easy to switch back.  Kind of like pinning and welding a muzzle device to your 14.5" barrel to get to 16".

Strange this topic came up as I just took delivery of a Troy PAR and am looking at a couple of places that make 300 WSM barrels.  Will be pleasantly surprised if they will build one without a gas port and ship it to WA.


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Re: WA rifle law question?
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2023, 02:35:33 PM »
What I'm seeing is that some people are failing to understand that it doesn't matter what form or function the complete or part of AR variant is or is not modified. It doesn't matter if your AR is single shot or semi, it's still an AR. Your AR pattern lower receiver that you made to work with a Rem 700 manual bolt in a modified upper, is still an AR pattern lower receiver.

I know y'all read the hunting regs....it's time to read HB1240 and the surrounding RCWs  as well.
Here's a link for your commodious contemplation https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Pdf/Bills/Session%20Laws/House/1240-S.SL.pdf?q=20230829143353

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Re: WA rifle law question?
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2023, 07:14:33 PM »
legality aside ... when i had my gas port completely closed on my AR ... the bolt locked up something fierce when i fired it. took a lot of pounding to open the bolt.

My curiosity is peaked!

Why would you shoot your rifles with your gas port completely closed  :dunno:
Your buffer and spring would not be able to function correctly.

Turns your semiauto into a manual auto straight pull. Combined with a suppressor, it's the quietest a person can make the platform.

Interesting, I would have never thought of it.
Thank you

Seems like it would be more efficient to just suppress a bolt action.

I dream of a day where I have a gun for every combination of caliber / function / purpose that i can find. I would need to buy a storage container to put them all in which would be an awesome problem to have.

For those like me and probably you who dont have that problem, I could see the utility in swapping uppers, or even just a gas block to change between quiet bolt action and semi-auto lead spitter without committing my wallet to two completely different platforms. 

Good point, I learn something every day!
You are right, I would just have another upper, but understand that option may not be viable for many.

legality aside ... when i had my gas port completely closed on my AR ... the bolt locked up something fierce when i fired it. took a lot of pounding to open the bolt.

My curiosity is peaked!

Why would you shoot your rifles with your gas port completely closed  :dunno:
Your buffer and spring would not be able to function correctly.

Turns your semiauto into a manual auto straight pull. Combined with a suppressor, it's the quietest a person can make the platform.

Interesting, I would have never thought of it.
Thank you

Seems like it would be more efficient to just suppress a bolt action.
You’re welcome.
Financially it can be a better option to use an adjustable gas block, for example, your caliber of choice isn’t not commercially available in a bolt gun.
Custom bolt gun vs off the shelf part price difference is BIGLY.

However, if I could have a $500-$600 6.8 SPC bolt gun, I would buy that instead of getting an adjustable gas block my semiauto.


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Only 2 defining forces sacrificed themselves for you:
The American Soldier and Jesus Christ. One died for your freedom, the other for your soul.

My rock,
He trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle.
Psalm 144.1

 


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