Mexico's case against the gun industry

[bearpaw]

Something to keep an eye on:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/02/supreme-court-mexico-gun-makers-cartels-liable/80866397007/

[greenhead_killer]

Ah yes, back to the spoon made me fat mindset.

[pianoman9701]

I wonder if they'll be including the Obama administration in the suit for Operation Fast and Furious.

[The scout]

Ah yes, back to the spoon made me fat mindset.

  Go after car makers because some idiots drive drunk and kill somebody behind the wheel.

[HntnFsh]

They have a problem with the cartels using USA made arms. But can't or won't put a stop to the cartels killing thousands of Americans with the drugs they ship north!

[Fidelk]

There's a DEAL waiting to be made. The US Govt. should do what it can to stop American made guns ending up in the hands of Mexican criminals that are then used to kill their fellow citizens. And the Mexican Govt. should do what it can to stop drugs flowing from Mexico into the US and degrading American society, including drug related deaths.

Sounds like yet another task for Musk to mastermind.

[Platensek-po]

They have a problem with the cartels using USA made arms. But can't or won't put a stop to the cartels killing thousands of Americans with the drugs they ship north!

Why don’t Americans just stip buying and using drugs? Why is it the cartels fault that people overdose on drugs but it’s not gun manufacturers fault people use guns to kill each other? Too much money involved in both the drug and weapons industries for anyone to actually do anything about either

[bearpaw]

They have a problem with the cartels using USA made arms. But can't or won't put a stop to the cartels killing thousands of Americans with the drugs they ship north!

Why don’t Americans just stip buying and using drugs? Why is it the cartels fault that people overdose on drugs but it’s not gun manufacturers fault people use guns to kill each other? Too much money involved in both the drug and weapons industries for anyone to actually do anything about either

apples and oranges

That would be like saying automakers are responsible for high speed accidents or bank robberies. When in fact autos are made and sold legally, a crime is only committed when you use autos illegally!

Guns are manufactured and sold legally, a crime is only committed when you use guns illegally!
Most drugs are illegal to manufacture or to use, it's an entirely different scenario!

[Platensek-po]

They have a problem with the cartels using USA made arms. But can't or won't put a stop to the cartels killing thousands of Americans with the drugs they ship north!

Why don’t Americans just stip buying and using drugs? Why is it the cartels fault that people overdose on drugs but it’s not gun manufacturers fault people use guns to kill each other? Too much money involved in both the drug and weapons industries for anyone to actually do anything about either

apples and oranges

That would be like saying automakers are responsible for high speed accidents or bank robberies. When in fact autos are made and sold legally, a crime is only committed when you use autos illegally!

Guns are manufactured and sold legally, a crime is only committed when you use guns illegally!
Most drugs are illegal to manufacture or to use, it's an entirely different scenario!

So it’s illegal. Does that stop Americans from funding cartels by purchasing drugs from them? Are cartels forcing people to buy illegal drugs? Why does the US have such a large market for illegal drugs in the first place? Is it a cartels fault if a tweeker gets high and steals a generator to buy more drugs from a cartel? You can’t have supply without the demand.

[bearpaw]

They have a problem with the cartels using USA made arms. But can't or won't put a stop to the cartels killing thousands of Americans with the drugs they ship north!

Why don’t Americans just stip buying and using drugs? Why is it the cartels fault that people overdose on drugs but it’s not gun manufacturers fault people use guns to kill each other? Too much money involved in both the drug and weapons industries for anyone to actually do anything about either

apples and oranges

That would be like saying automakers are responsible for high speed accidents or bank robberies. When in fact autos are made and sold legally, a crime is only committed when you use autos illegally!

Guns are manufactured and sold legally, a crime is only committed when you use guns illegally!
Most drugs are illegal to manufacture or to use, it's an entirely different scenario!

So it’s illegal. Does that stop Americans from funding cartels by purchasing drugs from them? Are cartels forcing people to buy illegal drugs? Why does the US have such a large market for illegal drugs in the first place? Is it a cartels fault if a tweeker gets high and steals a generator to buy more drugs from a cartel? You can’t have supply without the demand.

Absolutely, if we didn't have addicts in the US there wouldn't be much market for drugs. However, there wouldn't be as many addicts if illegal drugs weren't pouring into our country.

That doesn't change the comparison that guns are manufactured legally, with government oversight, and sold legally for legal use, and are only a tool that criminals sometimes choose to use illegally. Whereas drugs are manufactured illegally, without government oversight, sold illegally, and always used illegally.

Apples and oranges, the scenario is much different!

[Fidelk]

American drug addicts create a demand here in the US.......some of the drugs they use are legally manufactured (and diverted to illegal use) and some are illegal. The crime occurs when they are smuggled into the US and marketed to addicts.

Mexican drug cartels create a demand for guns in Mexico that are illegal in Mexico.......guns made in the US get diverted illegally to Mexico. The crime occurs when guns are made in the US and illegally diverted to an illegal market in Mexico. A manufacturer may or may not be complicit in this crime.

Similar supply-demand process. But I think the main problem is the demand for drugs fueled by American addicts. If that demand went away, so would most of these problems.

[EnglishSetter]

The "common theme" here is the cartels.  Handcuff the cartels and both problems diminish. 

Mehico seems unable or unwilling or both to accomplish this.  The new terrorist designation may facilitate some handcuffs. 

[zwickeyman]

The "common theme" here is the cartels.  Handcuff the cartels and both problems diminish. 

Mehico seems unable or unwilling or both to accomplish this.  The new terrorist designation may facilitate some handcuffs.

 :yeah:BINGO!!

[pianoman9701]

The "common theme" here is the cartels.  Handcuff the cartels and both problems diminish. 

Mehico seems unable or unwilling or both to accomplish this.  The new terrorist designation may facilitate some handcuffs.

 :yeah:BINGO!!

You'd need to handcuff half of the Mexican government first.

[Fidelk]

The "common theme" here is the cartels.  Handcuff the cartels and both problems diminish. 

Mehico seems unable or unwilling or both to accomplish this.  The new terrorist designation may facilitate some handcuffs.

I don't think so. With an eternal pool of willing addicts here in the US which creates demand........even if you remove the cartels, another source will appear to supply the drugs and profit from this addiction.

[bearpaw]

Why is it the cartels fault that people overdose on drugs but it’s not gun manufacturers fault people use guns to kill each other?

A manufacturer may or may not be complicit in this crime.

I thought I had seen it all!

Then I guess since cartels prefer to use pickup trucks, then pickup manufacturers must be complicit, since cartels use gasoline in those trucks then gas companies are complicit, since cartels use toilet paper to wipe their behind then paper companies are complicit, since liberals try to block addressing the source of drugs (cartels) then liberals must be complicit?

[Fidelk]

Why is it the cartels fault that people overdose on drugs but it’s not gun manufacturers fault people use guns to kill each other?

A manufacturer may or may not be complicit in this crime.

I thought I had seen it all!

Then I guess since cartels prefer to use pickup trucks, then pickup manufacturers must be complicit, since cartels use gasoline in those trucks then gas companies are complicit, since cartels use toilet paper to wipe their behind then paper companies are complicit, since liberals try to block addressing the source of drugs (cartels) then liberals must be complicit?

For my part, I said "may or may not"......it all comes down to intent. Did they manufacture those guns in numbers way beyond a reasonable expectation of American sales, knowing that a surplus could be trafficked in Mexico. Kind of like Big Pharma did with the opioid crisis that they created.....intentionally.

Quit blaming the liberals, they ain't organized to pull off or prevent these kinds of capers.

[shotguunar]

All you half to do is a little research and see that the US government is one of the biggest arms dealers in the world and were not talking your everyday AR 15 style assualt rifles If the Mexican government got into trouble with another country and needed weapons they probably would have no problem buying them from us to fight their way out of it like Russia telling us we sold to many weapons to Ukraine so we are going to sue your arm manufacturers so they can no longer build weapons

[timberfaller]

Over half of Mexico's government and governing agency's are nothing more then Cartel members.   Our Court's shouldn't be even entertaining these law suits.

[seakev]

For what it's worth, Catherine Stetson, arguing for Mexico this morning at SCOTUS, got her a** handed to her.

[Rob]

as she should.  the case is silly...

[Platensek-po]

All I’m saying is this, Guns manufactured in the U.S. and being sold illegally in Mexico is not the US problem then why is it that drugs being sold to Americans in the US should be mexicos problem? Ya know what else is a crazy coincidence? Each time the American military invaded a country with a large amount of heroin production we all of sudden got a heroin crisis on our hands back home. Purely coincidental I’m sure. Let’s also not forget the CIA using illegal drug shipments from Central America as a way to fund the Contras in the 1980s. However I agree that the lawsuit will most likely go nowhere and is pretty absurd.

[full choke]

This is all about crippling the gun manufacturers. Sue them until they are bankrupt and they cannot produce more guns. That is the end game, no more guns. I'd bet money that Soros is somehow behind this attempt.

[ghosthunter]

If Mexico can sue over guns, could we not also sue them over drugs coming in?

Seems if allowed it should be a two way street?

 

[bearpaw]

   Agree with full choke and ghosthunter   

[nwmein199]

Over half of Mexico's government and governing agency's are nothing more then Cartel members.   Our Court's shouldn't be even entertaining these law suits.

Soon those Mexican government/cartel members can buy US citizenship for $5,000,000 and start suing as US citizens

[pianoman9701]

Over half of Mexico's government and governing agency's are nothing more then Cartel members.   Our Court's shouldn't be even entertaining these law suits.

Soon those Mexican government/cartel members can buy US citizenship for $5,000,000 and start suing as US citizens

So, you think that the $5M investment doesn't come with extensive background checks? Biden's gone, so that's not going to happen...and you know it. Why say something that's obviously false?