Best 270?

[lazydrifter]

I really like the Remington 700.  Hopefully it never happens, but if you ever fall and break a stock or screw up a barrel, parts are everywhere.   We shoot Remingtons and they all shoot good.

[singleshot12]

 

Thing is.. You listed a price for rifle.  Does that amount include optics? Most rifles don't come with iron sights anymore.

And though the Marlin XL7 is light in synthetic stock, the recoil pad is very nice. My 15yr old (small) son doesn't flinch a bit with this one. So, for the Marlin you're looking at $300 out the door and another $300+ish for the scope and rings.

I'm not knocking Brownings or Tikka's or Remingtons.. But for less than $700 for a package, they are well worth the money. If you've got that much for just the rifle, then I guess you'll by buying Japanese steel if you're looking new. Used, you'll have to research when some of those were built in europe or U.S.A.

-Steve
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Yes 7 to 8 hundred for iron and glass..I think I will go old school and look for another left handed Winchester mod.70. I have one that has never let me down, but it is an old one and it would be nice to have good back up just in case,ya never know when a firing pin could break on a hunt.
I'm sure there are alot of great high priced, new out of the box guns, but seems there is still more of a chance of getting a cull these days.

Might even look into an old Huskivarna with a mouser action, them Swedes sure knew how to build a good rifle too.

[singleshot12]

Also, whats the deal with a .270, i have never understood the love for this round? 

Flat shooting,good for varments all the way up to elk,very versitile caliber.

[cascademountainhunter]

remington model 700 mountain rifle with a leupold scope!

[Buckmark]

Also, whats the deal with a .270, i have never understood the love for this round? 

Flat shooting,good for varments all the way up to elk,very versitile caliber.

My opinion, too small, just my 

[Buckmark]

Thing is.. You listed a price for rifle.  Does that amount include optics? Most rifles don't come with iron sights anymore.

And though the Marlin XL7 is light in synthetic stock, the recoil pad is very nice. My 15yr old (small) son doesn't flinch a bit with this one. So, for the Marlin you're looking at $300 out the door and another $300+ish for the scope and rings.

I'm not knocking Brownings or Tikka's or Remingtons.. But for less than $700 for a package, they are well worth the money. If you've got that much for just the rifle, then I guess you'll by buying Japanese steel if you're looking new. Used, you'll have to research when some of those were built in europe or U.S.A.

-Steve

Yes 7 to 8 hundred for iron and glass..I think I will go old school and look for another left handed Winchester mod.70. I have one that has never let me down, but it is an old one and it would be nice to have good back up just in case,ya never know when a firing pin could break on a hunt.
I'm sure there are alot of great high priced, new out of the box guns, but seems there is still more of a chance of getting a cull these days.

Might even look into an old Huskivarna with a mouser action, them Swedes sure knew how to build a good rifle too.
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Oh your a lefty, that explains it, you are thinking with the right side of your brain , yes the model 70 is an excellent choice, the riflemans rifle, everyone should own at least 1 model 70 (i do). Those old huskys are great guns

[G.R.K]

Also, whats the deal with a .270, i have never understood the love for this round? 

Flat shooting,good for varments all the way up to elk,very versitile caliber.

My opinion, too small, just my 

Shot placement   

[singleshot12]

Yep!  shot placement is what it's all about, I never did buy into the "knock down power" theory of a big slug.

[JoshT]

Knock down power is not a "theory"... it's a complete fabrication of epic status... kind of like Big Foot. Bullet through hydraulics (heart/large vessles), asperation (lungs), or Central Computing (brain/spine) = dead critter... the rest is just minutia.

That being said... don't get me started on the ways the 7mm Rem whoops the .270 Winny's azz.

As far as the gun itself goes... get the one that fits you best... and has the features you've decided are important. If you're using it in this state... take a look outside this morning and then decide if you'd like a pretty blued/walnut gun... or one of pure function (stainless/synthetic).

[singleshot12]

I might have to weed through several 270's to find a shooter and one that fits. I still believe there is such a thing as the "best 270",one that if you miss it's your fault and not the guns. And from what I've seen the majority of rifles on the market have poor barrels and shoot loose groups  

[singleshot12]

Stainless matt finish would be nice, or even painted over blue.

[singleshot12]

"Fabrication of epic status" I like that one better 
If I had a choice and if it was legal a 22-250 would put more deer down in their tracks than a 270.

[Buckmark]

Yep!  shot placement is what it's all about, I never did buy into the "knock down power" theory of a big slug.

Sorry had to go to bed, i did not mean the .270 was not big enough to kill, what i meant was that it was designed for the best performance with a 130g bullet, yes it goes bigger and you can handload it for good performance, but when you up the grains you do loose what the .270 really gives you.
I think the .270 will kill any animal in the lower 48 just fine and yes shot placement is paramont with any round, a well placed shot will always trump a poor placed shot from a bigger gun/bullet, but if you hunt alot and different animals there will be times that you will have to drive the bullet in at different angles or the animal moves making the bullet hit a bone etc, at those times i will take a bigger round moving at the slower speeds then a smaller round.
My 6mm can move a 55g bullet over 4000 fps and a 75g at 3600fps, has killed deer with 95g but i would never shoot an elk with it, a 300 winmag 180g at 3100fps has almost 3800ftlbs of energy to displace into the animal and will break a shoulder.
Knock down power is misused term, it should be Energy displacment.
A bullets energy will be displaced to the animal upon contact, if it goes through clean then not all of it, if it hits bone it could be all of it, the resulting energy displacment or transfer does what is called hydroshock to the animal and can in effect cause the animal to become incapacitated hence the "Knock Down".
Doesnt mean they are dead, animals get up and run away..
Hit vitals an animal dies. An arrow kills with a vital hit, no "KnockDown"..
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As far as the "perfect" .270 or any rifle for that matter, the one that aims itself and only the shooter can make it miss, well you better be very lucky or have alot of extra $$, there is a friday at every factory, i bet you could take 10 rifles from the same maker (insert name here), same caliber, use the same off the self ammo in each, mount them all in gun vises (not rests), use hydraulic triggers and they all with shoot different groups, could all be lets say 2 inches or smaller but different none the less.
What is a good group for you from a rifle that you say is perfect??
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1) Get then gun you want, fits, shoulders etc, looks good to your eye if need be.
2) Shoot it from a vise with a remote trigger, use different ammo, handload if you have too.
3) When it shoots the way you want it, then you can shoot it, in alot of different positions so you know with your eyes closed where it will hit, then you will have the perfect .270..

[jdb]

josht I think we see eye to eye on the whole foot pounds of energy bs.

[jdb]

bak to the givin subject I originally said t/c encore which is what I would by but best would either be a rem. 700 mt rifle or a ruger ultra light. I'd mount a leupold vxII 3x9 and youd be ready to make meat!