Wolf Impacts, WA Wildlife

[Little Dave]

I can understand a reactive boycott such as when the elk and deer populations decline... don't get a license for lack of opportunity.  We'll all be doing that.

A boycott right now (particularly without a letter) will at best be misinterpreted as your personal cost cutting choice.  There are over 200,000 hunters in the state.  You've got to have a better plan if you want to make a difference.

One way to get money to go for programs other than wolves is to form a foundation.  Provide funds to the department in the form of grants but designate as a contingency that none of the money can be used for wolf-related programs.  This would be the other half of the boycott idea.  My assumption is that the money you presently have earmarked for hunting licenses in the current year is part of your unending personal commitment to wildlife conservation.

[Special T]

LD i understand you desire to use the carrot and the stick approach by guiding the dept in the right direction. I think however  that you are right that we need to tell them in letter form and then with our pocket book. I will only buy my deer elk tags next year and spend much more time coyote hunting. when the fox is guarding the hen house, they can find a way to manipulate funds to accomplish their agenda.. 

[wolfbait]

I don't think it will take to long for the wolves to clean WA out. I also think it won't be to long before there are alot of people not hunting deer or elk, not because they are taking a stand but because there won't be enough to feed the wolves and hunters both, and the wolves will get first pick. WDFW are lying when they say we are just now starting wolf recovery. Washington was starting wolf recovery as far back as the 1980's. So now with  defenders of wildlife running the wolf show, how much of a chance is there for any honesty concerning how many wolves  Washington ends up with?

[M.Tumlinson]

What the hell?! There's moose in Washington? I swear I'm always the last to find out about these things lol.

[WAcoyotehunter]

Washington wildlife will be fine.  The WDFW is going to manage wolves (one way or another) because, as much as some of you don't want to admit it, they are wildlife and they belong do here.  The only questions left to answer are how many, where, and what tools will be used to manage them.  Wolves existance in Washington is not a question- it's happening and they will continue to repopulate the state despite the redneck sss agenda.  So, right now is your opportunity to make a difference with well written and intelligent comments to the WDFW in regard to the wolf plan. 

I underline well 'written and intelligent' because I presume that alarmist idiocy will get tossed pretty quick. 

[wolfbait]

Washington wildlife will be fine.  The WDFW is going to manage wolves (one way or another) because, as much as some of you don't want to admit it, they are wildlife and they belong do here.  The only questions left to answer are how many, where, and what tools will be used to manage them. despite the redneck sss agenda.  So, right now is your opportunity to make a difference with well written and intelligent comments to the WDFW in regard to the wolf plan.  

I underline well 'written and intelligent' because I presume that alarmist idiocy will get tossed pretty quick.  

The wolves are here and we have had wolves since the 1980's, thats a fact. Whether  Washington needed MORE imported Canadian wolves is another story. You do know that wolves do not have to be restored to every state don't you. Bangs said so himself. The big question is when will wdfw start telling the truth. The wdfw bring their lies to the wolf meetings, don't they know that the people are not going into wolf management in Washington blind. We have seen what has happened in the other state, we know what the wolves will do to our big game herds. We know about the relist/delist joke. You want us to trust people who point blank lie to our faces.  They know we know they are lying, and they just keep lying, now that takes some gutts, but wait, who is running the show? As far as the 3-sss, if Washington doesn't get a plan that the people can live with, then the people will be managing the wolves, just like in the other states.


I underline well 'written and intelligent' because I presume that alarmist idiocy will get tossed pretty quick.  

Alarmist idiocy, really wacoyote, The people who are sincerely conserned about what the wolves have done to their hunting in other states and what they will do to Washington have written letters that are outstanding. Once again you sell people short.

[WAcoyotehunter]

The wolves are here and we have had wolves since the 1980's, thats a fact. Whether  Washington needed MORE imported Canadian wolves is another story. You do know that wolves do not have to be restored to every state don't you. Bangs said so himself. The big question is when will wdfw start telling the truth. The wdfw bring their lies to the wolf meetings, don't they know that the people are not going into wolf management in Washington blind. We have seen what has happened in the other state, we know what the wolves will do to our big game herds. We know about the relist/delist joke. You want us to trust people who point blank lie to our faces.  They know we know they are lying, and they just keep lying, now that takes some gutts, but wait, who is running the show? As far as the 3-sss, if Washington doesn't get a plan that the people can live with, then the people will be managing the wolves, just like in the other states.

Wolves are State listed as well...they will need to be delisted here before we can do anything.

Tell me about these "imported canadian wolves" you keep mentioning.  how much does one weigh?  How much does the alpha male in the lookout pack weigh?

The $1000 bets still stand- show me proof that the WDFW has released wolves... or show me all these packs you know about...  finding the packs would be a boon for state management (and for you-$1000). If you're really interesting in helping you would share that information, unless of course, they simply do not exist.

If wolves have been here for so long and they are so bad for wildlife- how do you explain the current prey population being as high as they are?  Shouldn't the wolves have eaten them already?

[wolfbait]

The wolves are here and we have had wolves since the 1980's, thats a fact. Whether  Washington needed MORE imported Canadian wolves is another story. You do know that wolves do not have to be restored to every state don't you. Bangs said so himself. The big question is when will wdfw start telling the truth. The wdfw bring their lies to the wolf meetings, don't they know that the people are not going into wolf management in Washington blind. We have seen what has happened in the other state, we know what the wolves will do to our big game herds. We know about the relist/delist joke. You want us to trust people who point blank lie to our faces.  They know we know they are lying, and they just keep lying, now that takes some gutts, but wait, who is running the show? As far as the 3-sss, if Washington doesn't get a plan that the people can live with, then the people will be managing the wolves, just like in the other states.

Wolves are State listed as well...they will need to be delisted here before we can do anything.

Tell me about these "imported canadian wolves" you keep mentioning.  how much does one weigh?  How much does the alpha male in the lookout pack weigh?

The $1000 bets still stand- show me proof that the WDFW has released wolves... or show me all these packs you know about...  finding the packs would be a boon for state management (and for you-$1000). If you're really interesting in helping you would share that information, unless of course, they simply do not exist.

If wolves have been here for so long and they are so bad for wildlife- how do you explain the current prey population being as high as they are?  Shouldn't the wolves have eaten them already?

Well swifty, if you lived in the Methow you would know what the wolves have already done to our deer herd. How are you going to explain a very large wolf population in the next two years? Will you be then saying that the Canadian wolves that were released in Washington, find the air so refreshing that they multiplied 200%.

As far as the wolf info. we have right now it will be going to people who can use it to help get delisted right away, these are wolf packs that WDFW already know about, but are settin on it. When we get done everyone will know. You will just have to wait a bit longer like everyone else. Your buddies at WDFW and defenders of bullsh$it are going to have a little explaining to do.

As far as the prey population being high as you say, how would you know what the prey population is? Are you going by what s.fitkin says?

You are fighting for the wolf every way you know how. You can't give one good reason why wolves should be in Wa. All you ever do is try to steer the wolf talks into, we need to just manage better. When the wolves get done in Washington, there won't be anything left to manage.

As far as any bet with you, we already went through that a while back, or did you forget already. You need to open your eyes and your mind, visit http://washingtonwolf.info/ and saveelk,com  ,,, Read up on what the wolves have done in other states. Then trot back and tell us everything you have learned. We will be waiting!!!

[WAcoyotehunter]

Well swifty, if you lived in the Methow you would know what the wolves have already done to our deer herd. How are you going to explain a very large wolf population in the next two years? Will you be then saying that the Canadian wolves that were released in Washington, find the air so refreshing that they multiplied 200%.

As far as the wolf info. we have right now it will be going to people who can use it to help get delisted right away, these are wolf packs that WDFW already know about, but are settin on it. When we get done everyone will know. You will just have to wait a bit longer like everyone else. Your buddies at WDFW and defenders of bullsh$it are going to have a little explaining to do.

As far as the prey population being high as you say, how would you know what the prey population is? Are you going by what s.fitkin says?

You are fighting for the wolf every way you know how. You can't give one good reason why wolves should be in Wa. All you ever do is try to steer the wolf talks into, we need to just manage better. When the wolves get done in Washington, there won't be anything left to manage.

As far as any bet with you, we already went through that a while back, or did you forget already. You need to open your eyes and your mind, visit http://washingtonwolf.info/ and saveelk,com  ,,, Read up on what the wolves have done in other states. Then trot back and tell us everything you have learned. We will be waiting!!!

I can't remember the outcome of the last bet discussion- was it you deferring to the option becasue you didn't have the evidence and it would trounce your blathering about conspiricies and white vans?  A 200% population growth would be pretty simple for two animals. 

I'm not fighting for the wolf, I'm fighting for logical management of the wolf.  Extirpation is not an option, so I'm interested in seeing a plan that works for prey and predator species. 

If you want to save an elk or deer- spray some weeds, help with a controlled burn, help close a road...

[dontgetcrabs]

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  If you want to save an elk or deer- spray some weeds, help with a controlled burn, help close a road...
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OR...... Don't support introducing wolves into Washington!   

[wolfbait]

Its time for your nap wacoyote.

[WAcoyotehunter]

I think it's time for you to remove your tinfoil helmet and recognize that conspiricy theories and BS will not make a difference in the states wolf management.  Put together a logical and defensable argument and you could be taken seriously.

Dontgetcrabs...there has not been any introduction, nor has there been a plan for one...

[wolfbait]

I think it's time for you to remove your tinfoil helmet and recognize that conspiricy theories and BS will not make a difference in the states wolf management.  Put together a logical and defensable argument and you could be taken seriously.

Dontgetcrabs...there has not been any introduction, nor has there been a plan for one...

I support the minority plan. You are probably right wdfw can lie till they get caught, which might not be to far away.

[Little Dave]

Extirpation is not an option. 

Extirpation is not an option being considered in the current plan.

Since the outcome of the experiment is not known, matters of finance tentative, this plan seems to have more potential for failure than for success.  Worst case scenarios are realistic to expect.  Therefore, extirpation may be an option if some future remedial plan is needed.

[mulehunter]

First of all..... HOW CAN THIS FIRST PACK WOLVES CHOOSE TO ROOT IN TO McClurre MT area after I spotted in Early Spring 07  then more and more that I learned a lot more better and saw them on ROAD! I dont know how to EXPLAIN to you that NO ONE SEEN them UNTIL may 08 thur July 08 then More witness and more witness.. after Pack was confirmed by WDFW, SO Lets me explain about Between Spring 07, Maybe WDFW DID released them.  Hard part is this Wolves get uncomfortable at Early Spring 07 and later they start to learn how to be comfortable in this mountain of McClurre mt.

If Wolves arrival from Canadian Border, THERE WILL BE MORE WITNESS Between Border Canadan toward to South Twisp and WHY ARE WE ALL NEVER HEAR ONE WORD BY ANY PEOPLE from Spring 07 thur May 08 I dont hear ANY ONE see or NO ONE HEAR HOWLING a Fking one WOLF between Spring 07 until then When I first posted a WOLVES IN WA past Dec 07 on this Hunting-washington with evidences of mine pics and EVERYONE LAUGH AT ME CALLING ME ALL BSING!!!!    So I leave it alone until July 08 proved by WDFW and I was right after I waitted. I dont understand why they move DOWN THUR Brooth Canyon and Eldor Canyon instead not staying up North Hart Pass or North of Wintrop.  

OBVIOULY WDFW DID RELEASED WOLVES below Wintrop Or North Carlton!

I have HARD time believe this about this.  I am POSTIVE WDFW RELEASED WOLVES IN OKANAGON COUNTY!  I cant describe how Packs has already stay in this country for ONCE and NEVER MOVED for two half years now. ALWAYS STAY SAME AREA for long time! If there is TWO River between Wintrop and Twisp also Chelan lake, How can they got here that QUICK and NO ESCAPE!

I suggest you people to PUSH THEM TO PUT FOR LIE TEST! I remember Diamond Pack was captured by Biologlist and Gamefish people evidenced Pictured and show public and very helpful and it was from Idaho that travel thur Coville and stopped before Covillee river!! But I dont remember they Captured First Pack with no Pictures of Biologlist and Gamefish in it. Maybe they are WORRIED someone may witnessed them released with MATCH Wolves in pictures only pictures I see is TrailCamera and it doesnt show COLLAR ON IT because Maybe they dont want to show it clearly side of wolf that may show collar I only see only face wolf in WDFW Picture. Who got TrailCamera pic of Collar before july 08

Maybe they LIED that they already CAPTURED July 08 but they may have a CONTROL by VHS which already on Collar before you knew anything and they added GPS after to make it look SMOOTH!
NO PICTURE EVIDENCED ANYWHERE OBVIOULY THEY ARE HIDING FROM YOU PEOPLE!

Thats Explains why Scott Fitkin is TRYING HARD to call this all Wolf NOT KILL ANY livestock in this county of Okanagon!
No picture NOTHING pictures from Captured by group on first pack of Wolves in Wa. but only TrailCamera that they ever post in Newspaper! NOT ENOUGH!
But Dimaond Pack DID SHOW EVERYTHING to PUBLIC!



Mulehunter