8 different special apps pools!

[SkookumHntr]

I have a friend who drew a cow tag last year but later decided he didn't want the tag so he sent the tag back to the F&W and they gave him his points back.  I suppose if you are fortunate to draw multiple tags you could send one back and get your points back.  Not really a good solution for the problem though.

Thats *censored* and just one more reason to see how worthless are wdfw is!

[WDFW Hates ME!!!]

WDFW-sux i am with you. I will apply for all the permits, i will still only apply for the 2 hunts i want with my bull application and then put my 12 points in the antlerless pool also. Not like i will draw a bull permit. And if i did happen to draw both they say you can give one back... No prob. If i start over next year with zero antlerless point si could care less it is the bull permit that i want.

I don't really like the change but as we have all seen it really doesn't matter what we want, they do what they please to us...

And if you don't put in that is just one more year you are behind so go ahead and skip a year. If we could get everybody to skip a few years thy might listen to what we really want. But you will never get everybody on the same page.

[SkookumHntr]

Im still in shock with this proposal but reading it again, its not a done deal yet and they say there will be meetings and listining to public comment in early febuary so I hope all Hunt-Wa members participate in the public comment in any way they can. This is the most important proposal to ever happen for a Special Permit hunt in this state in my lifetime and you can bet urass they will hear my Comment!

[billythekidrock]

First I have to call bs  :bs:on the sending the tag back and getting points re-instated. I have heard of too many cases where someone was unable to make the hunt and told "tough". But if he were drawn for something he didn't apply for .. then yes I agree with getting points back. I know a couple people that has happened to.

I think it makes great sense to apply for both sexes, especially if you don't have many points and if you don't really care about what you get drawn for.

In my case, I will apply the wife for both and hunt the one that most fits the situation at the time. If she draws both and we have to give up a bull due to circumstances then so be it.

If.. and I say if you happen to draw a bull and a cow at the same time there is no question which most people will take but you never know, what if just before the drawing your circumstances change (which we have seen before) and you are only able to make the cow hunt.

My question is this...do they just let that other tag go away or do they have a second drawing? How many times has some one not gotten drawn the first time, changed their plans and the drew the second when they didn't want it? We have seen that a couple times as well.

[WDFW-SUX]

I herd the points have multipliers whats that for?

[Lowedog]

I think if a person drew more than one tag that they should have to choose the one they want.  I kind of thought I read it that way but maybe not.  That way the tag you didn't select would go to an alternate like in the OIL tags.

[WDFW-SUX]

I can't wait to see the odds for the premium tags...

[Lowedog]

The only real way I see to increase odds in any one pool enough to make a difference would be to go back to when after you draw you can't be drawn for 2 years in that pool.  Maybe 3yrs.   

[WDFW-SUX]

WDFW WOULD LOSE MONEY THAT WAY..NOT HAPPENING.

[Lowedog]

Maybe not if you can still buy points?     That is basically what I am doing now.     Not sure though as some may quite buying as soon as they draw out. 

[billythekidrock]

I can't wait to see the odds for the premium tags...

I can't wait to see what they consider "premium".

[WDFW-SUX]

Yeah, I agree BTKR... I bet some dam good hunts slip through to the "regular" and some terrible stuff get put in the Premium..

Here is a question..are we all going to be alloud to apply for premium eastisde elk tags with a westside elk tag just because it's "premium" also will we be limited to weapon choice in the premium pool or can we mix and match

[jager]

Hunters would retain the points they have accrued in years when they applied for a special hunting permit, but were not selected to receive one.  To ensure fairness, these points would be applied to each of the new subcategories created under the new proposal.  For example, if a deer hunter currently has 10 points, that hunter would be credited 10 points in each of the eight deer categories (e.g. buck, second antlerless, quality).  Future drawings would continue to be “weighted,” providing an advantage to hunters with the greatest number of points.

I've been following this discussion and with all the talk I guess I missed this in the beginning!

Forgive me.....If I am only putting in for big bull or buck hunts this will affect me because someone that may have antlerless points, may draw the "quality" hunt before me based on the number of points they have already accrued?

I guess that it would not affect the OIL tags since there is only one pool for each...oh wait there are ewe tags and cow moose tags correct?

This is complete *censored*.
I'm so tired of bending over for this department.

We really need to start a petition! Names, address, wild id #. I know that everyone is not able to attend the public comment hearings and 10 or 20 people showing up isn't gonna do it!

Maybe someone could get a website up where we could do that...maybe the admin would be the only one able to see the addy's and the wild id?
I don't have enough website know how or I'd do it in a second. I'd be more than happy to donate to that cause.

We have close to 4000 members on this site right.

Someone step up...for all of us...Please  

[WDFW Hates ME!!!]

Actually i just went back and reread the question about "What happens if you draw both permits Cow/Bull" And the way i read it is you will still e able to only harvest 1 animal, but hunt both? Nowhere in there write up does it say you will turn one back...

"Unless one of those permits is for a second antlerless deer tag, a hunter would be restricted to harvesting one animal.  Hunters who draw more than one permit would be able to choose which hunt or hunts to participate in, but would have to stop hunting once they harvest an animal."   The way i read this is they could participate in both hunts but would have to stop once the animal is harvested...

SO effectively i could draw nooksack bull and nooksack cow and i could pass on small bulls all day long knowing i could go kill a cow if i needed to fill the freezer... I know stupid example but an example none the less.

[shanevg]

They say it is not a done deal yet, but the fact that they are already working on reprogramming the draw program to accomodate this new system does not keep my hopes very high.

WDFW-SUX, I know that the public were strongly against less than 4 choices, but maybe now that there are 8 pools WDFW will be smart enough to limit us to 1 choice.  As much as this sucks, if we are only given one choice per pool I could handle things.