Illegal to feed big game animals??

[robodad]

The game generally climbs the tree to get the heck out of the way of the loud dogs that appear to be getting pretty close.

Um I think that is what I said.

Possibly he is not as informed as he could be about certain types of hunting like hounding.  I can say I'm not fully informed on the process.  However, I'm also not forming an opinion on that style of hunting either...

OK This is a true statement, I am not an expert in all types of hunting which is why I asked,

I realize that we have a different point of view on this subject and would entertain some ideas as to why I am wrong and you are right,

So far all I see is accusations saying I am a piece of *censored* because I have a different opinion.

What skills are you using with a gun for that matter.

I use a gun for a humane kill with the least amount of stress put on the animal.

Wait until the Anti's decide that bowhunting is inhumane...it's fine with them if it's illegal.

I think bowhunting is humane if carried out properly.

You must still hunt with a hatchet . Anything else would be unethical.

Nope I hunt with my skills.

We could go on and on about this subject just like the last thread about it but you still have not convinced me that hunting with dogs is ethical, convince me, show me the way I am all ears or why bait is so important to hide behind, I just don't get it so why not tell me why instead of telling me I'm the f'ed up one.

You're totally clueless about the how the dogs work and tree game

Clue me in, perhaps you can change my mind !

Maybe

[robodad]

I can't help but notice that since hunting with dogs and baiting bears is illegal, there is a much better chance for me to see them in the woods and maybe there will be some left for my kids to hunt. 

[Coasthunterjay]

robodad you are hellarious..................

And i dont think you are a piece of *censored*............

[WAcoyotehunter]

Robo- It's not our job to clue you in; it's your job to form your opinions based on sound reason.  You've never hound hunted, but somehow you think it's inhumane...you said it yourself.
How many days have you sat in a treestand watching an empty bait station?  Somehow you've formed an opinion on that...it appears (at least to me) that you use your emotions rather than logic or science to create these opinions. 
And- like i said, it's not our job to "enlighten" you.  Go out in the field and try to tag along with the hunters that do these things, you might be suprised how ethical and sporting they are.  You don't have to carry a gun or kill anything, but rather that sit on here and run your mouth about ethics, get out there and see what it's really like.

The game generally climbs the tree to get the heck out of the way of the loud dogs that appear to be getting pretty close.

Um I think that is what I said.

Clue me in, perhaps you can change my mind !
Maybe

That's not what you said- you said "come to an end or run like hell scared for your life while a pack of dogs is after you till you are so out of breath that you have to climb a tree to rest and wait for a "hunter" to put you out of your misery"

You might have better luck on the PETA website trying to convince them to only allow "YOUR" style of righteous hunting and let all of us knuckledraggers perish. 

[robodad]

You've never hound hunted, but somehow you think it's inhumane...you said it yourself.
How many days have you sat in a treestand watching an empty bait station?  Somehow you've formed an opinion on that...it appears (at least to me) that you use your emotions rather than logic or science to create these opinions.

I guess I won't learn anything from you,

[outdoorguy]

I think Robodad blames everything for his unsuccessful hunting methods. Everyone is taking all the deer and bear away from him and his kids.Imagine what his trophy wall looks like. I don't think we need to worry about his opinion anyway. There are plenty of anti's that threaten our sport every day also. I do agree he would be better off on there site !

[robodad]

I think Robodad blames everything for his unsuccessful hunting methods. Everyone is taking all the deer and bear away from him and his kids.Imagine what his trophy wall looks like. I don't think we need to worry about his opinion anyway. There are plenty of anti's that threaten our sport every day also. I do agree he would be better off on there site !

You sure didn't put allot of thought into this statement did you  ??

[wf70gonehunting]

I think that it sould be up to the hunter. To bait or not to bait. To use stick and string,mussy or modren. What it all boils down to is that we all need to stand together! 

[robodad]

This topic clearly shows that there are differences between hunter ethics and methods, it just shows that no one has the right answer or the perfect method to control the population of wild animals in this country.

I would be just fine if baiting of any kind was not allowed, and am content to see the dog teams not harassing the animals for the time being.

Times change and so will the rules and I just hope that the animals are the top priority weather or not that means more regulation. It just sucks that when a method is outlawed for one reason or another that it is not considered a viable option in the future management of the animals instead of forgotten all together.

[WAcoyotehunter]

PM sent. 

[provider]

Very nicely done robodad!  You are spot on.  The fact is we DO have many regulations based on ethical standards.  Forced ethics compliance, if you will, because many people don't know where to draw the line. 

You're not out campaigning with the Anti's, and nor am I.  You just have self imposed high ethical hunting standards.  Good for you...  very refreshing!

Don't take the personal attacks to heart.  You're the one who get's it.   

[WAcoyotehunter]

Don't criticize people until you walk a mile in their shoes...then when you criticize them you're a mile away, and you have their shoes.

You guys are very righteous and that's good.  The problem is YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN ON ONE OF THE HUNTS AND DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!!   Get a clue, you're basing your arguments on the same thing as the anti hunters...your emotions.  Let's use some science and real life experiences here folks. 

[tlbradford]

Robodad, I am siding with Wacoyote hunter on this debate.  I believe you are entitled to your opinion on anything you wish to talk about. However, you are making broad statements without being informed on the subject, as you have admitted here yourself. When you go out in the world and spout these opinions with such self rightousness, to a crowd of nonhunters, who will view you as a knowledgeable person on the subject, you are spreading your ignorance of the subject matter.  You are in fact misleading the public.

Most of the issues you call inhumane have been debated endlessly on this forum, a quick search will give you a lot of reading material.  Here are a few of my takes on the methods of trapping, baiting, and hound hunting.

Trapping - This is not about the killing of animals.  This is about teaching survival skills, linking our past with our present, and preserving a heritage that helped settle the lands that we now call home.  God forbid my children ever have to use these skills in a survival setting, but I want them to be able to deploy them if needed.  I want my children to grow up seeing the ways that animals may be used to benefit them.  I want them to respect the animal by skinning it out properly, caring for the hide or fur, and to be thankful that they were able to outsmart the animal.  It takes a heck of a lot more skill to set a stationary trap for a wild animal to walk into, then to hunt them with a rifle.  Modern legholds are humane.  They allow a trapper to release an animal unharmed if the wrong animal was trapped.  They do not leave an animal maimed or to suffer an agonizing death at a later date.

Baiting - This may not take as much skill in woodsmanship as some other methods, but it takes the most work.  I applaud the men and women who can sit still for hours on end, who will haul out bait to a site every few days, and put in a huge amount of time and energy for something that is by no means guaranteed.  Baiting allows opportunities for those with limited physical capabilities to kill an animal, or see an animal up close.  It seems like you are under the impression that baiting is a 100% way of killing an animal.  Many times you will have all your bait eaten during the night and will not be able to kill anything during legal shooting light.  It also enables you to be selective on what animals you kill.  It is much easier for a person hunting a bait station to kill a mature boar instead of a possible sow with cubs, than a rifle hunter walking through the woods.

Hunting with hounds or dogs is not about the prey.  Not even in the slightest.  It is about developing a relationship with your animals, taking pride in the way they are trained, and how they perform.  It is watching these animals do something that is ingrained in them.  That is something that they were born to do.  It allows for selective harvesting of the prey.  It is hard work.  Compare it with teaching your kid how to hit a baseball, then years later watching him hit a home run to win the game against his schools rival.  You truly need to experience it.

Nobody is asking you to not voice your opinion.  We are asking you to be careful how you voice your opinion, and to who you voice your opinion, and to be aware how you are being viewed by others.  There are too many people out there that want to take away our rights, and although you obviously do not see it, the methods you may enjoy will be the next target.

[robodad]

Get a clue, you're basing your arguments on the same thing as the anti hunters...your emotions.  Let's use some science and real life experiences here folks.

I agree here and it is what I have been asking for all along.

WAcoyotehunter: The PM you sent was the best information I have recieved on here yet regarding these subjects. Thank You !!

I would love for some of you folks to take me through a typical hound hunt and show me what is ethical about it, I have never been on a hound hunt and can only base my views on what I have read and seen on the DVD's and what is presented through the media. I know I am not the only one in here that can't see how ethical this practice is so please tell me your experiences with out calling me names. !!

Don't criticize people until you walk a mile in their shoes...then when you criticize them you're a mile away, and you have their shoes.

 


 

[Ray]

I still think guns give the man the edge. If you don't take it with your bare hands you're a sissy.

People who want to put their ethics on everyone else is the problem around here and it is an infection across America. Mind your own business and the world would be better off. The last thing we need is another regulation. Some of you are too busy fighting the wrong fight and expending your energy because you feel compelled to appeal to the wants of other groups which do not hunt or make a distinction between the acts anyway. Or perhaps make a distinction in your approach to hunting animals which is superior in your own mind. If people are against hunting animals it doesn't matter how you do it; they are not going to approve. I'm not making appeals to any anti hunting groups and I would not call something that has been going on for generations a scourge that is a black scar on hunters. You've probably got too much energy and time on your hands that could be used more effectively if you had found some way to give back to the hunting community.