CPL and waiting period

[washelkhntr]

This might be a stupid question, but I have always wondered, if you have a CPL and you go buy a new pistol, do you still need to wait the required time period before you can walk out with it? Or do you walk out with it the same day you buy it??

[MissinCaliBlacktails]

you walk away with it the same day you buy it.

[B.G.hunter]

the washington concealed pistol license eliminates the state mandatory 5 working day waiting period.  but a firearms dealer still has to get an approval from the FBI NICS.  The FBI can invoke their own 3 working day waiting period to do further research on the person purchasing the firearm.

[MikeWalking]

When I got mine in 94-95? I still had a waiting period for handguns, My nephew who got his in 91? didn't. The RKBA crowd and others got folks like me Grandfathered in  about 1998?

Pretty nice to walk out with yer'new friend...I get a good chuckle when non gun owners hear me say I don't have a waiting period...  Till I explain...

[carpsniperg2]

yep no wait ever for me, but some people can get delayed still like other said most of the time its with people that have the same name as a person with a criminal background a kid i went to school with his name was richard reed like the guy they called the shoe bomber he said he was always geting flaged and having to wait that would suck!

[Shootmoore]

No waiting period with the CPL.  I still have to wait the 5 days though.  I guess my commision card is not as good as a CPL  .

That one always makes me chuckle

Shootmoore

[tony04]

i've bought 2 pistols since i had my CPL.  the first one i had to wait either 3 or 5 days. i cant remember.. that was 2 years ago. and the second one i was able to walk out with it. which was last year.

[carpsniperg2]

last year i bought 4 handguns all went right threw, like all the guns i have bought never had one problem.

[washelkhntr]

Thanks guys. I got my new pistol today. Walked in and out in less then 30 minutes. This was the first time I ever bought a handgun from a dealer so I was currious how it went. I never really paid much attention to it before.

[ADAMS]

I bought a pistol last year and from the point in time that I told the guy I wanted to buy it to the point in time that I walked out the door with it was about 15 minutes.

[sirfunkeybut]

i know this thread is outdated but i just wanted to make a comment on it.

i bought a pistol with no CPL and only had to wait two hours. so if theres a mandatory waiting period why didn't i have to wait?

[ICEMAN]

i know this thread is outdated but i just wanted to make a comment on it.

i bought a pistol with no CPL and only had to wait two hours. so if theres a mandatory waiting period why didn't i have to wait?

Just reread your post.... It sounds like they possibly had time to contact both NICS and the Sheriffs office to run your name thru the State crim history database. Mabye two hours was enough...

The waiting period was originally designed to allow local law enforcement to run background checks on folks for handgun purchases, but with todays technology advancements, things must go smoother.

[NWHydroprint]

I have a FFL and I can guarantee you that there is know way they got the approval in 2 hours. First off with no cpl the nics check is ran by the state local law enforcement in your jurisdiction a so the state pistol paper work needs to be sent to them by fax, mail, or hand delivered, typically will take 3-5 days to complete. There is a mandatory 5 business day wait.

From the WA state licensing:
What are the requirements for selling a handgun to someone without a Concealed Pistol License (CPL)?
A five-day waiting period is required for the transfer of a handgun from a firearms dealer to someone who does not have a CPL. This waiting period begins when the Application to Transfer Pistol form is received by the police chief or sheriff, and refers to the next five business days when state offices are open. This does not include weekends and holidays. The waiting period gives law enforcement enough time to complete the necessary background check.
Local law enforcement will conduct the required background checks, including the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) Check, when there is no CPL. The approving law enforcement agency should provide you with the NICS Transaction Number (NTN). Record the NTN in the “Approval Code” box in the upper right corner of the Application to Transfer Pistol form.
NWH

[General Disarray]

I bought a pistol last week and finished the paper work and headed out to the Tri-Cities for work.  My phone rang shortly after i arrived in Kennewick(hour away) and I was told I could come pick up the gun.  No CPL, although I had just applied for it a few days before.  What I was told was that some of the smaller cities don't get the back log of background checks as some of the bigger ones, therefore they can grab the info off of the fax and make the call.  I have a feeling the guy at the local police dept knew who I was since we talked about pistols and stuff for a while during my CPL fingerprinting, saw my paper work come through and got it done.  Got to love those small towns!

[Bscman]

Some of you may be a little confused.
The 5 day wait is not a mandatory waiting period. It's actually the amount of time the local law enforcement agency is allotted to run your info and approve the purchase.

If, after 5 business days, the local LEO agency has not responded the firearm can be released to the purchaser. If the local LEO agency responds BEFORE the 5 business days are completed with an APPROVAL, the purchaser can then immediately take ownership of the pistol.
In other words, they are given up to 5 business days to run the paperwork. Unless they respond with a deny or delay within those 5 business days, technically the pistol can be released after day 5. If an approval is given (whether it take 2 minutes or 5 days) it can be released immediately.

So yes, it is possible for to buy a pistol without a CPL and still be able to take it home before the 5-days are up. However, some shops call it a "mandatory 5-day wait" simply because it eases their paperwork and reduces the chance of a firearm slipping through the cracks.

Before I got my CPL (which strangely only took 2 business days after getting fingerprinted), both of my purchases took 3 days after the paperwork was submitted.

[MikeWalking]

Before I got my CPL (which strangely only took 2 business days after getting fingerprinted), both of my purchases took 3 days after the paperwork was submitted

Was this prior to the NICS?   My checks only take a few minutes on the phone.

[ML_Hunter]

Before I got my CPL (which strangely only took 2 business days after getting fingerprinted), both of my purchases took 3 days after the paperwork was submitted

Was this priot to the NICS?   My checks only take a few minutes on the phone.

When purchasing a long gun, or a handgun with CPL the firearms dealer must call the National Information Check Services (NICS) to ensure you can legally purchase a firearm, although NICS does not tell us why you may be delayed or denied.  I would say about 80% of the call I do take about 3 minuets prior to having an answer for the customer.  NICS is basically looking for flags, there not doing a detailed background and credit check, but making sure your not a felon.

If you are purchasing a handgun, and do not have a CPL then we send the paperwork to your local LEO where they will conduct there own background check and give us an approval code or a denial. 

Did this answer your question Mike??

[ML_Hunter]

No waiting period with the CPL.  I still have to wait the 5 days though.  I guess my commision card is not as good as a CPL  .

That one always makes me chuckle

Shootmoore

If your law enforcement then your Commission card works just like a CPL, actually it better.  But in some area such as King County, they still want there Commission officers to have a NICS check (Don't know why??).  Also many dealers are unaware of this.  Its a small loop hole and only about 5% of the folks who may walk in a purchase a handgun will have a commission card so it throws us for a loop and its hard to get a clear answer to from the state.

[Bscman]

Before I got my CPL (which strangely only took 2 business days after getting fingerprinted), both of my purchases took 3 days after the paperwork was submitted

Was this priot to the NICS?   My checks only take a few minutes on the phone.

Yes, the nics only takes a minute (or three).
I'm talking about the paperwork that must be sent to your local LEO if you do not have a CPL.
My point was that even though there is a "5-day" period, it does not always take 5 days to get approval if you do NOT have a CPL. The longest I had to wait for approval before getting my CPL was 3 business days. The shortest was about 24hours.

[carpsniperg2]

Some of you may be a little confused.
The 5 day wait is not a mandatory waiting period. It's actually the amount of time the local law enforcement agency is allotted to run your info and approve the purchase.

If, after 5 business days, the local LEO agency has not responded the firearm can be released to the purchaser. If the local LEO agency responds BEFORE the 5 business days are completed with an APPROVAL, the purchaser can then immediately take ownership of the pistol.
In other words, they are given up to 5 business days to run the paperwork. Unless they respond with a deny or delay within those 5 business days, technically the pistol can be released after day 5. If an approval is given (whether it take 2 minutes or 5 days) it can be released immediately.

So yes, it is possible for to buy a pistol without a CPL and still be able to take it home before the 5-days are up. However, some shops call it a "mandatory 5-day wait" simply because it eases their paperwork and reduces the chance of a firearm slipping through the cracks.

Before I got my CPL (which strangely only took 2 business days after getting fingerprinted), both of my purchases took 3 days after the paperwork was submitted.

that is correct, there is no min just what is given to have time to get it done could be a few mins or days

[cwuwildcat]

Before I got my CPL (which strangely only took 2 business days after getting fingerprinted), both of my purchases took 3 days after the paperwork was submitted

Was this priot to the NICS?   My checks only take a few minutes on the phone.

When purchasing a long gun, or a handgun with CPL the firearms dealer must call the National Information Check Services (NICS) to ensure you can legally purchase a firearm, although NICS does not tell us why you may be delayed or denied.  I would say about 80% of the call I do take about 3 minuets prior to having an answer for the customer.  NICS is basically looking for flags, there not doing a detailed background and credit check, but making sure your not a felon.

If you are purchasing a handgun, and do not have a CPL then we send the paperwork to your local LEO where they will conduct there own background check and give us an approval code or a denial. 

Did this answer your question Mike??

Is there anyway to find out if/why you've got a flag?  I get delayed about 1/2 the time I purchase, even with my CPL.  Maybe delayed 1/2 a day, but last time was 5 days because it carried over a weekend.  I'd like to see if there's anything I can do to remove any erroneous info. 

[carpsniperg2]

my dad use to get red flagged all the time there was a guy that had the same name but had a bad record and my dad would get red flagged everytime but after about 5 years, the guy must of kicked the bucket he has not been delayed once

[ML_Hunter]

If your constantly getting delayed you can request a Unique Personal Identification Number (UPIN) and you must list that number right beside your SSN, there is a separate box for it.  What a UPIN does is YOU are ALLOWING the FBI and ATF keep your information so that they know its you and not someone else attempting to purchase the gun.  If you want you can call NICS and ask they why they keep delaying you.  It could be something simple or something complex.  A lot of military folks will get delayed if they have high clearance with the military or serve in special ops. 

[ICEMAN]

Yep, the NICS Index is the list which allows you to cruise thru a gun purchase if you have been continually denied. Your name drops off the Index if any arrests occur so be a good boy and this should be a long term fix for those who have commone Name/Date of Birth with a bad guy....

The National Instant Check System (NICS) is not flawless, but I feel that it is a good way to keep crazies, illegals, and felons from getting firearms. They process the average purchase in minutes. Not too bad if you ask me.

[NWHydroprint]

Here is the link for dealer transfers in WA state.
[url][http://www.dol.wa.gov/business/firearms/fatraining.html/url]
NWH

[Shootmoore]

No waiting period with the CPL.  I still have to wait the 5 days though.  I guess my commision card is not as good as a CPL  .

That one always makes me chuckle

Shootmoore

If your law enforcement then your Commission card works just like a CPL, actually it better.  But in some area such as King County, they still want there Commission officers to have a NICS check (Don't know why??).  Also many dealers are unaware of this.  Its a small loop hole and only about 5% of the folks who may walk in a purchase a handgun will have a commission card so it throws us for a loop and its hard to get a clear answer to from the state.

Thats good to know.  I should say the last time I went in to make a purchase of a firearm was during the Brady Ban years.  When there was a manditory waiting period for the purchase.

Shootmoore