Baiting Deer

[robodad]

Ok I think we are talking apples and oranges here, You want to know if by baiting animals and hunting them over bait is detrimental to their health and numbers, and that is going to depend on how good of a shot you are.

I am talking about a disease that is spread by deer gathering together in large numbers and sharing spit and nasal fluids on a bait pile that was put there by humans for the purpose of killing (hunting)them.

I have pointed out also that I don't know if there are any confermed cases of CWD here in Washington but it is on the Washington door step, it will just take one careless hunter to introduce contaminated tissue from a CWD zone and the population of deer and elk in Wa is in jeopardy.

It is quite obvious I don't know what you are talking about and clearly am no expert on anything. I'm sorry if what you need as evidence was not clearly written in what I posted, so I am going to let this subject die and move on to something else.

We disagree and that is cool with me !!  

[Coasthunterjay]

THIS PROPOSAL TO BAN FEEDING IN WISCONSIN IS ONLY TO PREVENT THE CONTINUED PROBLEM THAT THEY HAVE.....SOMETHING THAT WE DONT.....WHAT IF AGAIN.......

*TAKEN FROM YOUR POST*
• CWD is transmitted laterally (live diseased deer infect other deer)
Doesnt look like thats going to be a problem we are 5 states as the bird flys and it is against the law to transport such animals across state lines as far as i know
• Reduction of contact through a ban on baiting and feeding is likely very important to eradicating or containing a CWD outbreak.
Thats because they have the problem and didnt do anything about it untill it was to late. again its in wisconsin
• Baiting and feeding continues to put Wisconsin’s deer herd at risk to other serious diseases...Again not our deer, not  idahos, not montannas

If this is something that starts spreading from state to state like the wolves or pigs then we will address it before it gets here. lets let the proffesionals worry about there jobs and not try to give any info hunting happy peta or Animal rights tree hugging left handers the info they need to start up one more thing to try taking away from us....like what you have clearly stated that you think should be banded and takin away from us.....like feeding and using game camers....Which both i believe should be legal and BOTH HAVE USED AND WILL CONTINUE TO USE.


Do you not think that enough stuff has already been taken away from us? How much more do we need taken away from us here to relize that we have problems that we need to worry about now!

LETS WORRY ABOUT OUR WASHINGTON NOW!

[Coasthunterjay]

heres something you might want to look at just to enlighten everyone on our situation.......

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/cwd/factsheet.htm

heres some answers taken off the WDFW website for those that dont read off other sites........

What is chronic wasting disease?
Chronic wasting disease (CWD) is a disease of the central nervous system found in deer and elk. It is one form of transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE). TSEs are infectious diseases of humans and animals that are caused by a deterioration of brain tissue. These diseases are progressive and always fatal.

Has CWD been found in Washington wildlife?
No. To date, there have been no confirmed cases of CWD in Washington deer or elk. like i said none here

Is the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife monitoring wildlife for CWD?
Yes. Correct

What is being done to minimize the risk of CWD?
Washington is considered a low-risk state for CWD because it is not adjacent to areas where the disease is endemic, and because the state took action a decade ago to curtail game farming, including banning the importation of live deer, elk and other cervid species that are native to Washington. That rule [Washington Administrative Code (WAC) 232-12-064], enacted in 1993, was an important step in reducing the risk of introducing CWD or other diseases into wild animal populations in this state
I was correct

Theres alot more info on the WDFW site so if theres anymore questions i think it is safe to say that Washington may have a different idea as to how we handle this CWD.....im thinking they got a good grasp!

1 Vote for yes to keep baiting deer legal

[robodad]

Wow that post was hard to read !!

CWD has been found in free-ranging cervids in Colorado, Illinois, Wyoming, Nebraska, South Dakota, Wisconsin, New Mexico, Saskatchewan, and Alberta. It has been found in captive herds in Colorado, Wyoming, Nebraska, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Kansas, Montana, Wisconsin, Minnesota and South Korea. The core endemic area is contiguous portions of Wyoming, Colorado, and Nebraska. The prevalence of CWD in this area is approximately <1% - 15% in mule deer and <1% in elk, although this varies greatly by location.

All I am trying to point out here is that it is not just a Wisconsin problem like you think, it is in other populations and you are right maybe it will never get here but I would error on the side of caution if it was up to me, and if it does make it here we can deal with it before it becomes a huge problem.

Thats because they have the problem and didnt do anything about it untill it was to late. again its in wisconsin

They must have thought like you do.

[Coasthunterjay]

They must have thought like you do.

That is an ignorant comment......

We can see that its not just a wisconsin problem...i read that also. Thanks .....

like i said and posted, Washington is watching and has already addressed this problem so that it doesnt become an ISSUE and is continuelly looking for cases so that they can study it further...........if you want to help then keep an eye out for the proposed signs while your out hunting and repot it if you see it.

Thank you though for worrying.....

robodad you have not said anything new for a while now.

Im over this as well you should be....

so I am going to let this subject die and move on to something else.

We disagree and that is cool with me !!  

OK let it die then............

[robodad]

 

[Palmer]

To PETA members, hunting is unethical period - no debate.  Baiting would be a side issue to help ban hunting all together for them, just a step toward their ultimate goal.  You can't sell the concept of hunting by wrapping it up in pretty paper and a bow.  They don't care and they would even like to ban the meat department in all grocery stores.

[Red Dawg]

I am going to go out on a limb and say that it could happen. CWD that is. Anything can be spread. Is it a big issue right now, probably not. But it could be. Nobody knows. Look at what happened to the deer up on Clemens and that area with the lice thing. I guess that killed a lot of deer according to John McGowan. So dont say this could never happen. I think that you are geeting a little disrespectful of other peoples opinions "Coasthunter".

[ICEMAN]

I would imagine that anti hunting zealots would be happy to see it here, just like the wolf.

[Coasthunterjay]

I appoligies if my opinion and statings came off disrespectful....

I would say to robodad and anyone else on here that what i said was not ment to be disrespectful. i just felt that a strong discussion needed to be discussed strongly. and that was my opinion.....so im sorry redawg if it or my past reply to post like the whast points to count bothered you. seriously i ment no disrespect.....

I would imagine that anti hunting zealots would be happy to see it here, just like the wolf.

Yeah you are probably right iceman....unfortunatly so.

[robodad]

For the record, there are no hurt feelings here, I enjoy a stimulated conversation so don't think for one second I am trying to disrespect anyone of you in here as that is not my intentions, I appreciate everyones opinions and do not intend to cause anyones blood pressure to red line.

I hope more conversation turns out this way because it likely coaxed some of you folks to read about something you would have otherwise never paid attention to.

This a great board and the moderation is excellent (unlike other places I have been to) so I sincerely appreciate the opportunity to post my thoughts without the fear of being called names. You folks are great, keep up the good work !! 

PS

Wow that post was hard to read !!

I meant hard to read because of the colors. It is like reading a page with black background and white text, makes my eyes wig out !!

[jdb]

I am going to go out on a limb and say that it could happen. CWD that is. Anything can be spread. Is it a big issue right now, probably not. But it could be. Nobody knows. Look at what happened to the deer up on Clemens and that area with the lice thing. I guess that killed a lot of deer according to John McGowan. So dont say this could never happen. I think that you are geeting a little disrespectful of other peoples opinions "Coasthunter".

dont believe everything john mcgowen tells you JB

[Red Dawg]

no problem coasthunter. no offence taken here. What I dont understand is why I should not believe John. He has no reason to lie to me.

[Palmer]

I understand the concern over CWD and thanks for the info but Washington could have many more trophy class Elk and Deer if you eliminated or restricted baiting. 

I've been to a wildlife preserve where there are maybe 2 out of 10 deer that are mature older bucks.  There may have been 50 deer in a 20 or 30 acre area.  Now if the same were true in the area I was hunting and within a week, the hunters with the 10 feeders have taken all the trophy bucks, then it will take a few years for that number to recover.  Take away the feeders and they would have to put their skills and some patience to the test.  They might also have tag soup but that's hunting.

It is legal though and that's fine but I think it would be better hunting if at least restricted.

[jackelope]

It is illegal in washington to shoot any big game off bait.

can you show me that in the regs?
fwiw i don't hunt over bait...never have and probably never will...but i think there are animals it is legal in washington to hunt over bait, as was previiously mentioned in this very thread.