Tribal Regs????

[Trailstrider]

  I am Native American, I do not receive special rights for hunting or fishing. I am Osage and cannot be carded if I want to.
Here is the point for all to ponder. Look up the definition of Native American, you will find that most of the users on this site fit the definition. When are we going to ask for equal treatment to our native lands? The definition says Born to the land and have known no other. If you have lived your whole life here you qualify under the definition! I try not to take it out on the natives but they need to understand that perception is everything, stay with the traditional hunting gear and make the Father proud!

[GEARHEAD]

Can you really use the word Tribal and Regulations in the same sentence

[Practical Approach]

If state hunters think they are getting the short end of the stick right now.  Tough days are ahead if the Tribes ever decide pursue 50% of the deer and elk harvest.  It has happened with shellfish harvest and salmon? 

[chevysquid]

I am Native American, I do not receive special rights for hunting or fishing. I am Osage and cannot be carded if I want to.
Here is the point for all to ponder. Look up the definition of Native American, you will find that most of the users on this site fit the definition. When are we going to ask for equal treatment to our native lands? The definition says Born to the land and have known no other. If you have lived your whole life here you qualify under the definition! I try not to take it out on the natives but they need to understand that perception is everything, stay with the traditional hunting gear and make the Father proud!

That's a damn good point!

[BobD]

Don't you think that treaty's have out grown the origanal intent.   Most treaty's say something like the Makah tribes
ARTICLE 4
The right of taking fish and of whaling or sealing at usual and accustomed grounds and stations is further secured to said Indians in common with all citizens of the United States, and of erecting temporary houses for the purpose of curing, together with the privilege of hunting and gathering roots and berries on open and unclaimed lands: Provided, however, That they shall not take shellfish from any beds staked or cultivated by citizens.

Will someone explain "secured to said Indians in common with all citizens of the United States"  what does in common mean?

What happened with the taking of shellfish staked or cultivated?   I think that property owners lost that in court!!

[colockumelk]

I knew he wouldn't respond, when you make it a civil rights issue they never have a response  

[eatonville45]

Whats really cool is elk aren't even native to this state, why do the Natives have any extra rights to hunt elk. maybe we should bring over some zebras maybe some monkeys i don't know. this shooting elk *censored* has to stop besides i was born here to I'm a native American to say other wise is racist.

[Practical Approach]

I would be embarrassed as a native to this state if I believed elk were not native to the state.

[colockumelk]

Eatonville you are mistaken. Elk are marvel t Washington. There have always been Roosevelt. Elk in Western WA. Its in the Yakima and Kittitas County areas that elk were not native. A few elk wandered over the PCT but as far as a viable herd until 1919 the only elk herds that existed were in western Washington.

But yes it is ridicoulous that the Yakamas claim ancestoral rights t animals that didn't exist until e brought them here.

Doesn't matter though, more importantly MY CIVIL RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED because since I have white skin I don't have the same hunting rights that a Guy with red skin has. THINK BIG PEOPLE EQUAL RIGHTS IS HOW WE WILL WIN NOT THE OTHER STUFF. FOCUS ON EQUAL RIGHTS!!!!!

[saylean]

I have a few friends who are indian...I checked out their hunting regs the other day...it was 4 pages.

They had to pay 5 bucks non refundable, and then 10 bucks, which could be reimbursed.

2 deer, 1 elk any bull (for the most part), any bear....1 MOUNTAIN GOAT a year....

All I can do is give him crap about it, since it helps me cope...he didnt realize it was a OIL tag for us US citizens...I told him, "Hey man, there screwing ya, only one per year?!" He laughs.

I cant say that I wouldnt take advantage of it if I had the chance to hunt like him for goat (probably not get one every year, but man, could you imagine!?). In his defense, he has been working his butt off for an elk and bear without success as of yet.
I wish him luck and have given him tips on some hunting, as we are friends. BUT in my humble opinion, the regs/treaty should be updated to suit our modern times.

[BobD]

A new idea!    Could this be the start of a new.....

Oh wait can  we do that Mr moderator?

I mean can we the White/Caucasian ask for equal rights?

We might have to ask the smart people.  The leagel beagle type.

[runamuk]

Eatonville you are mistaken. Elk are marvel t Washington. There have always been Roosevelt. Elk in Western WA. Its in the Yakima and Kittitas County areas that elk were not native. A few elk wandered over the PCT but as far as a viable herd until 1919 the only elk herds that existed were in western Washington.

But yes it is ridicoulous that the Yakamas claim ancestoral rights t animals that didn't exist until e brought them here.

Doesn't matter though, more importantly MY CIVIL RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED because since I have white skin I don't have the same hunting rights that a Guy with red skin has. THINK BIG PEOPLE EQUAL RIGHTS IS HOW WE WILL WIN NOT THE OTHER STUFF. FOCUS ON EQUAL RIGHTS!!!!!

I am in agreement tribal hunting is about racism and inequality and this time its the Caucasian Native Americans being treated in an unequal manner.  Special rights are not equal rights .......

[Practical Approach]

So who is imposing the unequal rights on the state hunter?  Is it the tribes?  or is it ourselves?  The fact that state and tribal regulations look different, does that make it unequal rights?  No. It is just different regulations.  The tribes set their regulations based on their needs and their population while the state sets our regs based on what the populations can sustain due to a large hunting populace.  Based on the unequal rights arguments I am hearing, would it be safe to say that our neighboring state hunters have unequal rights since they might be able to get doe tags over the counter and we cant?  I have to pay out of state fees to hunt Montana this year.  Isn't than an unequal right as a U.S. citizen?   

[halflife65]

I have a few friends who are indian...I checked out their hunting regs the other day...it was 4 pages.

They had to pay 5 bucks non refundable, and then 10 bucks, which could be reimbursed.

2 deer, 1 elk any bull (for the most part), any bear....1 MOUNTAIN GOAT a year....

All I can do is give him crap about it, since it helps me cope...he didnt realize it was a OIL tag for us US citizens...I told him, "Hey man, there screwing ya, only one per year?!" He laughs.

I cant say that I wouldnt take advantage of it if I had the chance to hunt like him for goat (probably not get one every year, but man, could you imagine!?). In his defense, he has been working his butt off for an elk and bear without success as of yet.
I wish him luck and have given him tips on some hunting, as we are friends. BUT in my humble opinion, the regs/treaty should be updated to suit our modern times.

Can they designate a hunter for themselves (are tags transferrable)?  For instance, if you were a 90 year old person, could you give your tag to someone to do all the shooting?  So, one guy with a bag full of tags from his parents and grandkids can go out and shoot a bunch of elk on behalf of other people?  I'm curious about how that works.  That might not be correct - I really don't know.

[Practical Approach]

Whats really cool is elk aren't even native to this state, why do the Natives have any extra rights to hunt elk. maybe we should bring over some zebras maybe some monkeys i don't know. this shooting elk *censored* has to stop besides i was born here to I'm a native American to say other wise is racist.

The original Roosevelt and Rocky Mountain elk populations in Washington were extirpated or driven to unsustainably low numbers by the late 1880s, and animals from Montana and Wyoming were released in a number of locations. Less well known, however, is the fact that farmers and ranchers raised concerns over elk damage to crops, range, haystacks and fences within a decade of their re-introduction to the Cascade Mountains in 1912. By the late 1940s, rural landowners in virtually every part of the elk's range issued complaints about elk.



Over the decades, wildlife managers have employed two different but parallel approaches to "problem" elk: attempt to keep the animals away from human activities, and control their numbers through hunting.



Lethal control became an official policy in 1931, when County Game Commissions were granted authority to declare elk "predatory" and have them killed to protect property. After its creation in 1933, the Washington State Game Department began establishing long seasons, combined with a focus on culling cow elk populations in areas where it wanted to prevent elk expansion. Between 1950 and 1952, about 212 antlerless elk were harvested in Washington for every 100 bulls. In the foothills west of the Yakima River, where much of the strongest anti-elk sentiment existed, the agency authorized large cow kills in 1938, 1943, 1949-51, 1966-70, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1982 and 1994.