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cougar problem
« on: March 16, 2008, 12:54:33 PM »
Coonhunter I am totally READY for this fall again!   :drool:

We have only Treed two cougars on GMU 127 Pscr with a special permittee tag last Janurary 2008 no shot yet only one 100ish with spotty kitten and other cougar probablly under 100lbs jump 3rd time what a busy cat. Gotta look for TOM been two times cuts above 150ish almost wide than my hand, but seem 4 to 5 days old track DANG also it was a pravite land, Those Rancher in Spokane Gmu 127 been contact us few times recently no luck on cougars  :'(,  8 Bobcats in Oregon, I had blast winter hunting, I have a HUGE PLANN ahead!!! I am gonna NAIL them down this time. I am going take three months OFF work this winter! Then it will save HUNDREDS deer.. for you all.  :)

This is my hunting pictures one last year and two this winter, look hard where mother cat is.  :dunno: Elmo is now 8 months pup turn out a HOT cat dog we will see how it go this fall.

coonhunter  ;)


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004285453_cougar16m.html

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Re: cougar problem
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2008, 01:07:10 PM »
Hey between Dec 12007 thur March 15 2008 what I have been scouting and hunting my count track cuts was up from 2006-2007 was 12 cuts then this year 2007 to 2008 was counted 19 cuts. Four cuts was in Spokane 127, and rest of it was in Wa statewide No B.s.  I totally understand why Wa State was passed for more hunter.

Hopefully got draw this fall again. :drool:

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Re: cougar problem
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2008, 07:22:59 PM »
I recived a Email from one of my  buddy over Chelan county, He said  ( I read that article.   Looks like that biologist is a bunny hugger for sure.  He lied , lied lied, about heavy hunting causeing the cougar to get worse about problems.  He forgot to mention how bad the cougar situation got here right after the initiative in 96 for about 8 yrs. or so.  People caught almost 15 cougars for the Game Dept. just one winter that were causeing trouble.  The game warden said he only had a couple complaints all last year.   Looks like that biologist need to go back and look at the facts instead of just make up his own story and have it put in the paper.   Any of those Seattle papers are looking for sympathetic animal lovers anyhow.  I tried to get them to put an article in about my 7 calves getting killed in my corral back when it happened and t hey wouldn't even respond to my emails.  I for sure saw what they want to put in and it's not both sides. )

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 Well I agree with my buddy. what a idiot people tell untrue story! I dont understand why Ben would tell people that cougar doesnt cause problem at 60 feet from house in Kittas county. Whatever was it safe or NOT? could it be a little boy at 60 ft from house would end up drag him away. People did called about livestock loss and cross their property and Wdf did fill up a complaint reports and its public to know what out there.. Almost 300 complalint per year around few county  unbelievable that ben didnt share this part.  This is a B>S>

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Re: cougar problem
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2008, 11:43:57 PM »

 I dont understand why Ben would tell people that cougar doesnt cause problem at 60 feet from house in Kittas county. Whatever was it safe or NOT? could it be a little boy at 60 ft from house would end up drag him away. People did called about livestock loss and cross their property and Wdf did fill up a complaint reports and its public to know what out there.. Almost 300 complalint per year around few county  unbelievable that ben didnt share this part.  This is a B>S>

What some people justify as a problem cougar others may not.  There are a vast majority of varying opinions on cougars throughout this state.  One person may see killing a deer next to their house a problem while others may not see it a problem at all and realize that they built their house in areas that cougars may frequent. Obviously this isn't the same  on the westside where cougars are coming into contact with humans more, opinions over there and perspectives on public safety change I think. 

And what is considered a cougar complaint?  Talking to several biologists and a couple game wardens even when a person calls in and reports a cougar sighting, not acting as a threat, but just a sighting that is chalked up as a "complaint" on their form.  I think the point Ben was trying to get across when he made the point about that cougar killing deer 60 feet from people's homes was that in fact that cougar was killing deer near people's home, killing their natural prey rather than pets or livestock because it is an adult rather than a younger subordinate cougar that may be more curious and less experienced.  When a failed attempt at a deer, the younger cougar may in fact go for an easier target like a young horse or house cat. 

What I gather from this article was this:  NE washington where heavy hunting occurs and the average age of a cougar is around 2-3 you have more complaints because you have more of these subordinate animals that are curious and less experienced.  While in Cle Elum, in a lightly hunted area you have a older age structure of animals with more experience living amongst development and around humans where complaints are much lower and livestock depredation appears to be less than NE Washington.  So due to heavy hunting in NE WA it is possible that by maintaining a younger age structure complaints can increase if in fact it is the younger cats that are often the culprit.  I think they needed to emphasize more that hound hunting may potentially be a more sustainable way to manage cougars.  There didn't seem to reallly be a problem with them prior to 1996, I would like to see it re-instated.

 


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