collapse

Advertisement


Author Topic: Cattlemen leery of increasing wolf population  (Read 5039 times)

Offline wolfbait

  • Site Sponsor
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Old Salt
  • ******
  • Join Date: May 2009
  • Posts: 9187
Cattlemen leery of increasing wolf population
« on: November 23, 2010, 02:19:38 PM »
Cattlemen leery of increasing wolf population

Ranchers point out dangers of state's plan, say they aren't being heard
By DAN WHEAT
Capital Press

CLE ELUM, Wash. -- Washington cattlemen say it seems inherently unfair that people whose livelihoods are not affected by wolves can push the government toward accommodating them.

"It's easy to sit in an apartment in Bellevue and say we need wolves and see no impact until you go to the market and can't buy beef anymore," Dal Dagnon, an Okanogan rancher, told the state's point person on wolves.

Harriet Allen, endangered species manager of the state Department of Fish and Wildlife, gave an update on the state's upcoming wolf management plan at the 85th annual convention of the Washington cattlemen's and cattlewomen's associations at Suncadia Resort on Nov. 11.

Allen said she wants a plan that balances all interests and that she's not for one side more than the other.

But Sam Ledgerwood, a Clarkston rancher, said he doesn't think the department is listening to cattlemen and he's concerned for the safety of his family and his cattle.

"My daughter goes riding with our dogs, and if they're attacked by wolves and it spooks the horse she could be hurt," he said.

"If 40 percent of your salary disappeared because of wolves, would you think differently?" Dagnon asked Allen.

"I'm sure I would," she replied.

Dagnon accused the department of listening more to wolf supporters than ranchers and using ranchers on the department's wolf working group as pawns.

Allen said there was good give and take from both sides during difficult negotiations on the plan.

Stakeholders have been drafting the plan since 2007. The department is addressing public comment it received during the summer and plans to present a final product to the state Fish and Wildlife Commission next August.

The plan so far allows for moving wolves within the state if they become too much of a problem to livestock in a given area. It allows killing wolves to protect livestock only after the gray wolf population is recovered in the state and is no longer listed as an endangered species. The plan and legislation passed last year calls for compensating ranchers for livestock lost to wolves, but only has $30,000 in the fund.

Two known packs live in the state, one in the Okanogan and the other in Pend Oreille County, Allen said. Others are suspected in the far northeast and southeast corners of the state, she said.

"We're setting ourselves up for a major catastrophe, we only have to look at Idaho," said Jack Field, executive vice president of the Washington Cattlemen's Association. Idaho had 10 breeding pairs of wolves, it now has more than 1,000 wolves and there's livestock loss, he said.

He asked Allen for a population viability analysis to prove whether Washington has enough wildlife to support hunters and the 15 breeding pairs of wolves proposed in the plan.

Elizabeth Howard, a Portland attorney who has represented Oregon ranchers in wolf litigation, said whether ranchers have a constitutional right to kill wolves to protect their livestock is not known.

"No one has squarely taken that issue on," she said.

http://www.timberwolfinformation.org/info/archieve/newspapers/viewnews.cfm?ID=7199

Offline Archery King

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • ****
  • Join Date: Mar 2009
  • Posts: 281
Re: Cattlemen leery of increasing wolf population
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2010, 05:56:24 PM »
As a cattle rancher it's FUC$!NG insane to even think i would half to stand there and watch as a pack of wolves kill one of my cows (or six of them).  One of the cows i need to make a living a cow i need to put food in my kids mouths, oh but thank god they have a fund with a mere 30,000 thousand dollars in it to compensate for lost cows for all the ranchers in the state.  Mind you cows run around $1200 a piece.  Lets hope they don't kill any cows.   

Offline CAMPMEAT

  • CAMPMEAT
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Sep 2010
  • Posts: 13347
  • Location: ARIZONA, A PLACE WHERE I DON'T WANT YOU LIVING !!
  • I love my gun rights in Arizona..
Re: Cattlemen leery of increasing wolf population
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2010, 06:02:51 PM »
I know where I live, all the ranchers hate everything that eats their livelyhood. If any of you ranchers need help killing coyotes. Let me know. I'd kill wolves, but I don't wanna be Bubbas friend in prison. Have gun , will travel.
I couldn't care less about what anybody says..............

Offline Archery King

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • ****
  • Join Date: Mar 2009
  • Posts: 281
Re: Cattlemen leery of increasing wolf population
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2010, 06:09:37 PM »
Do you kill really big coyotes to? :chuckle:

Offline CAMPMEAT

  • CAMPMEAT
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Sep 2010
  • Posts: 13347
  • Location: ARIZONA, A PLACE WHERE I DON'T WANT YOU LIVING !!
  • I love my gun rights in Arizona..
Re: Cattlemen leery of increasing wolf population
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2010, 06:15:52 PM »
Do you kill really big coyotes to? :chuckle:

I wish. I saw 2 really "big" coyotes last year near Wauconda following 2 calves at ready until I drove up on them. Then they just walked off into the fog. No worries.....
I couldn't care less about what anybody says..............

Offline woodswalker

  • Curmudgeon in training
  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (+14)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2009
  • Posts: 1764
  • Location: on the way to Stevens Pass
    • https://www.facebook.com/Grumpys-Gun-Repair-153675238330367/?ref=br_rs&pnref=lhc
    • Grumpys Gun Repair
  • Groups: NRA Life Member, Ducks Unlimited, RMEF, SRPA WHEIA
Re: Cattlemen leery of increasing wolf population
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2010, 06:48:39 PM »
As a cattle rancher it's FUC$!NG insane to even think i would half to stand there and watch as a pack of wolves kill one of my cows (or six of them).  One of the cows i need to make a living a cow i need to put food in my kids mouths, oh but thank god they have a fund with a mere 30,000 thousand dollars in it to compensate for lost cows for all the ranchers in the state.  Mind you cows run around $1200 a piece.  Lets hope they don't kill any cows.   

$1200 and that is just for THAT cow...if its Mama then the whole line is gone...how many calves does the average cow give birth to?  how does THAT subtraction work with a rancher's income?
A Smith & Wesson Beats Four Aces.

Whatta ya mean I can't have one of each?

What we have here is...Washington Department of NO Fish and WATCHABLE Wildlife.
 
WDFW is going farther and farther backwards....we need FISH AND GAME back!

Offline Archery King

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • ****
  • Join Date: Mar 2009
  • Posts: 281
Re: Cattlemen leery of increasing wolf population
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2010, 07:05:52 PM »
Exactly wood!  a good cow will produce at least 10 calves worth $800 each at only six mouths old when we sell them.  Packs of wolves will kill cattle for fun not even out of hunger.  Epically after all the elk and moose are gone!   

Offline boneaddict

  • Site Sponsor
  • Administrator
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Mar 2007
  • Posts: 50471
  • Location: Selah, Washington
Re: Cattlemen leery of increasing wolf population
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2010, 11:20:16 PM »
I would not allow a wolf to eat any of my livestock.  PERIOD

Offline nwwanderer

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (+3)
  • Frontiersman
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2010
  • Posts: 4673
Re: Cattlemen leery of increasing wolf population
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2010, 08:22:50 AM »
It is not possible given current management of cattle and wolves to have any idea the cost to the livestock industry.  Perhaps the counties, like Idaho county did, can move the state and the feds from the bureacratic and judicial mire to move forward.   

Offline Roundhead

  • Political & Covid-19 Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Old Salt
  • ******
  • Join Date: Nov 2009
  • Posts: 5376
  • Location: Pierce County
Re: Cattlemen leery of increasing wolf population
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2010, 09:09:25 PM »
I would think wolves rather eat cattle than game. Why work hard for food when you can get it nearly for free.
Exactly wood!  a good cow will produce at least 10 calves worth $800 each at only six mouths old when we sell them.  Packs of wolves will kill cattle for fun not even out of hunger.  Epically after all the elk and moose are gone!   

Offline Roundhead

  • Political & Covid-19 Topics
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Old Salt
  • ******
  • Join Date: Nov 2009
  • Posts: 5376
  • Location: Pierce County
Re: Cattlemen leery of increasing wolf population
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2010, 09:43:44 PM »
Sheep dog vs two wolfs-figh to death
This is a very cool video. It's amazing how these gentle sheep dogs hate wolves.

Offline carpsniperg2

  • Site Sponsor
  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (+126)
  • Legend
  • *****
  • Join Date: Sep 2009
  • Posts: 31527
  • Location: Goldendale,WA
Re: Cattlemen leery of increasing wolf population
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2010, 09:54:05 PM »
Man that's crazy! That Vid shows the kill mentality of those wolves. Once they kill one they just keep killing. We need some of those dogs.
Owner: SPLIT DIAMOND TACTICAL
Firearms/Transfers/Parts/Optics
2011 HW Head Competition Winner

Offline JimmyHoffa

  • Non-Hunting Topics
  • Trade Count: (+2)
  • Explorer
  • ******
  • Join Date: Sep 2010
  • Posts: 14537
  • Location: 150 Years Too Late
Re: Cattlemen leery of increasing wolf population
« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2010, 09:54:15 PM »
Hmmmm....any sheepdog breeders in Washington? ;)

Offline Little Dave

  • Washington For Wildlife
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Sourdough
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jul 2008
  • Posts: 1576
  • Location: Onalaska
Re: Cattlemen leery of increasing wolf population
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2010, 10:07:25 PM »
Just got back from a nice hunt in Montana.  There's wolves in the area, but they haven't turned on to the deer and elk yet because they are finishing off the livestock first.  In this particular area sheep have been hit the hardest.  In years past, the Defenders of Wildlife offered that state money to help with compensation.  However no more money is being paid out.  The state has none to offer and apparently the Defenders of Wildlife are not offering any payment either.  That's the local chatter there.

Just as a reminder, here are a few excerpts from our draft Wolf Management Plan regarding stuff like that:

Page 63 of the Preferred Alternative:
19 Montana's Livestock Loss Reduction and Mitigation Board was created by the 2007 Montana
20 Legislature and appointed by the governor in the fall of 2007 (USFWS et al. 2009). The board
21 oversees the state's compensation program, which replaced the Defenders of Wildlife program,
22 irrespective of whether wolves were delisted and consistent with the Montana wolf plan. The
23 Montana Legislature appropriated $30,000 and Defenders of Wildlife donated $50,000 to Montana
24 for a total of $80,000 for each of the first two years. The board makes payments for direct livestock
25 losses its first priority, but hopes to expand into other program elements called for in legislation as
26 funding becomes available.


And of course:

Page 66 of the Draft Environmental Impact Statement:
5 ... Several compensation programs have been developed
6 in the western U.S. to help livestock producers recover some of the costs associated with wolf
7 predation, with the intention that this will build greater tolerance for wolf recovery. The Bailey
8 Wildlife Foundation Wolf Compensation Trust, which is operated by the Defenders of Wildlife, has
9 been the primary program offering compensation to ranchers for livestock losses (DOW 2008).
10 Under this fund, confirmed losses of livestock and herding/guarding dogs are reimbursed at 100%
11 of their current or projected market value up to $3,000 per animal, whereas probable losses are
12 reimbursed at 50% of their current or projected market value up to $1,500 per animal.


Maybe have the governor check the sofa cushions, but there's not a lot of money for this right now.

Offline rock

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Scout
  • ****
  • Join Date: Aug 2010
  • Posts: 344
  • Location: Nothern indiana
Re: Cattlemen leery of increasing wolf population
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2010, 03:13:12 PM »
Hmmmm....any sheepdog breeders in Washington? ;)

you would need a couple to even do anything. and a bred heifer can go around 2000.
There's more than one way to skin a cat, but that cat won't like any of them...

 


* Advertisement

* Recent Topics

Last year putting in… by Broomd
[Yesterday at 10:42:13 PM]


Knight ridge runner by riverrun
[Yesterday at 09:47:51 PM]


Anybody breeding meat rabbit? by jackelope
[Yesterday at 08:54:26 PM]


1oz cannon balls by hookr88
[Yesterday at 07:40:51 PM]


Best/Preferred Scouting App by MADMAX
[Yesterday at 06:57:28 PM]


Any info on public land South Dakota pheasant hunts? by follow maggie
[Yesterday at 05:27:14 PM]


Oregon spring bear by Twispriver
[Yesterday at 04:32:22 PM]


Search underway for three missing people after boat sinks near Mukilteo by Platensek-po
[Yesterday at 01:59:06 PM]


Desert Sheds by MADMAX
[Yesterday at 11:25:33 AM]


Nevada Results by cem3434
[Yesterday at 11:18:49 AM]


Sportsman’s Muzzloader Selection by VickGar
[May 23, 2025, 09:20:43 PM]


Vantage Bridge by jackelope
[May 23, 2025, 08:03:05 PM]


wyoming pronghorn draw by 87Ford
[May 23, 2025, 07:35:40 PM]


Wyoming elk who's in? by go4steelhd
[May 23, 2025, 03:25:16 PM]


New to ML-Optics help by Threewolves
[May 23, 2025, 02:55:25 PM]

SimplePortal 2.3.7 © 2008-2025, SimplePortal