Winston Creek Hunting Incident 12-3-2010

[jstone]

  your life was threatened. there woulda been blood in the road

[Magnum_Willys]

Bowhunters !  Sure there are lots of purists and mostly sportsman out there but EVERY FELON that hunts is a bowhunter !  I've run into a number of Felon Camps out there - not hard to identify.  Saw one at then end of the 3105 road during September - what a bunch of a-holllles.

If you are bowhunting you better be packing iron for personal protection - too bad but thats what it looks like to me in this state.  

[jstone]

Fellons should not have any weopon then.. Yep thats bad when your out there enjoying the country loving life and some asses threaten you. NO THATS NOT RIGHT. I have my kid with me and they wont get away with it.

[guardian]

I think what sportsman002001 is trying to say is that he's tired of these idiots breaking the rules. Yes it could've been avoided if these dumb asses followed the rules like we all are supposed to they wouldn't have been in there.  I know sportsman 002001  and he puts in more time scout this area all year then anyone. When it's closed he's on a bike or wwalking in . " FOLLOWING THE RULES". I've been in there my self on foot to have four wheelers driving up on me. Far as i'm concerned you did the right thing by keeping your cool. Anytime you want to bail from that area your welcome in our camp anytime.

[Blsum]

Wow I don't know if I could of kept my cool like you did. I can see how some of these guys are saying you did the wrong thing by driving around their truck. But I'm with you. If there is not a gate on the road then I have every right to drive down there. Whether or not I spook the animals out. I still have the right to drive down there. These d bags had no right to block the road. They also had no right to draw a weapon on you. Personally I think I would of told the dispatch that you don't care how busy they are and to get an officer up there immediately. Your life was threatened and you want this resolved now. I know where we park our truck to go elk hunting there isn't a lot of room. One year a guy blocked off a large area of parking. I don't know if he was trying to save a place for his buddies or what but someone came by and slashed all but one of his tires. My guess it it was a horse hunter that was a little more then pissed that he couldn't park his trailer. You did right by not messing with his rig. You could of ended up in a world of hurt if you had.

[chester]

Thats good to know that he takes the time to know the area. But I still believe the whole thing was avoidable. Going around   maybe the guys shouldnt have been in there   but two wrongs dont make a right.

[chester]

Blsum,
If you were in open country and spotted elk on foot and went over a ridge to find a hunter already there working the elk, would you continue after the elk?

[LittleJohn]

Blsum,
If you were in open country and spotted elk on foot and went over a ridge to find a hunter already there working the elk, would you continue after the elk?

great point

[SI Eagle]

Sport is always on here talking about dealing w/ all the people in the Winston but it seems that he may be part of the problem. He didn't say anything about the having a problem w/ anyone in the white Toyota all week in his first post and then later they were apparently breaking the rules all week? Sounds to me like Sport thinks he has special rights in the unit and if he see's elk he can drive by and do what all the other "jerks" in the unit do but he is not one of them. They probably blocked the road when they saw elk so some idiot would not drive around them and spook the elk. It appears that happened anyway. No one way should someone threaten or attempt to assault him and that it totally out of line. That is why people should try and get out of the rig and have some consideration if someone beats you out there. Sport I get the feeling that you are one of the guys that are up there, early bow, rifle, late bow and hunting w/ any weapon and with the "girlfriends" tag. Maybe they should lock the entire unit up and only let the walk in people come and that would solve the problem. Until then, I guess you have to deal w/ it but again, no way should it have gone that far.

[TheHunt]

Ryderwood is full of blocking roads.  A buddy pulled a large log across the road to block the truck that was blocking the road.  So that poor *censored* had better have a chain saw or he was waiting for someone who did to get out.  I thought that was classic move.  

But the comments that many bow hunters are fellons is very true.  That might be something the Washington Bow hunters can lobby to get changed.  Makes a person think about packing heat when elk hunting.

[ICEMAN]

This is called "Gravel Road Rage".

It seems that we have all encountered the confrontation, just not one that resulted in someone aiming a weapon at another. I am not sure what I would have done. Fight or flight. Best is flight. I surely would have demanded the county mounty to meet me, as I am not leaving until after an investigation.

 

Blsum,
If you were in open country and spotted elk on foot and went over a ridge to find a hunter already there working the elk, would you continue after the elk?

Do you mean if they aim a weapon at you to get you to leave?

[gasman]

This is called "Gravel Road Rage".

 

Blsum,
If you were in open country and spotted elk on foot and went over a ridge to find a hunter already there working the elk, would you continue after the elk?

Do you mean if they aim a weapon at you to get you to leave?

I believe he is talking about< if you see an animal you are hunting, it goes over a ridge/hill and when you get over to teh area, there is all ready another hunter stalking the animal to make a kill.

Do you leave and let them take the animal or do you interfier and/or try to get it your self?

[dirty24d]

Why wouldn't you have waited by the gate for the sheriff to arrive so it could have been dealt with then and there? Call up and say what happened and your life was threatened. A photo of a truck, three guys against the word of one, days later... unfortunately I bet nothing is going to happen.

 

Exactly what I was going to post, but got done before I could.  Nobody points a weapon at me and goes home for dinner without the cops talking to them first!  Hope they get what they deserve.

BTW blocking roads is BS, shou;ld have pushed the truck into the ditch before driving by....

Shove that rig right in the ditch, act like an a hole get treated like one.  i agree lokidog..

[chester]

 

Blsum,
If you were in open country and spotted elk on foot and went over a ridge to find a hunter already there working the elk, would you continue after the elk?

Do you mean if they aim a weapon at you to get you to leave?


[/quote]

No. Im hoping the common sense approach would prevail. You leave and let those there first hunt. Im gonna get flamed for this but there were two options for how this could have gone down without escalating to the point of a weapon being pointed.
1. You dont drive around someone in the first place- smart choice
2. You get out of the truck and take your licks like a man. (who knows you might win   ) - not as appealing

everytime i hear a case like this where someone "had" to drive around someone. It always sounds like a case of a whiny kid. "If i cant get them, neither should they"
Was the guy right to draw a bow? Hell no. Was the OP right to drive around? NO. Like i said one dick move leading to another. One broke the law, one didnt. Sometimes the guys the law is protecting arent the greatest guys either(no i dont know the op, and i am basing this off HIS words in his post and past experiences with people driving up on me with to bust my hunt) Dunno, but this thread sorta struck a nerve with me.

[ICEMAN]

I complained earlier today about a guy going around me on his quad, while I walked in a closed in road.... I was pissed, but in my scenario it was first light and I do not believe anyone knew of any game in the area. I did not block them.

Why does the guy in the truck who blocked the road feel like he owns the herd of elk? It is sort of like fishing IMHO.... alot of guys standing elbow to elbow casting at the same fish. It is ugly, but it is what it is. Personally, I would not proceed with the hunt if someone else was on the game, but if I decided to take my chance with the herd as well as them, and then they leveled a deadly weapon at me? Don't make me hurt you...

Chester, ask yourself this. How much distance would the threatening assclown feel was appropriate? Is 500 yards to close for him? 1000 yards?  The point is, the game does not belong to him, he is wrong to assault a fellow hunter. He caused the problem. Look at his actions, he blocks the road to stake claim to something that is not his, he then confronts another hunter, and draws his weapon. He could be dead today...