Letter to the Editor: One less bull in the Tieton Dr. herd...

[fishunt247]

Agreed. That's truly messed up. I think everyone has a reason to be pissed about that one.

So biggdogg, that man can hunt on the rez just because his wife is an enrolled member? Seems like he has no right to hunt, and it seems like this is something that would make truly enrolled members furious.

Seems like another case of "rights" taken too far.

[Special T]

Fish i would disagree with you AND big dog!  If it is for food (as many tribal members claim) and for ceremony then what difference does it make if its the wife or the husband? Big dog why are you pissed? are you 100% yakima? Are you mad because he killed 2 bulls or cause he's WHITE and can hunt with impunity? What about his wife? does she deserve to eat elk even if she doesn't like to hunt? Does your wife hunt? If the reasons for Tribal hunting are as pure as the wind driven snow what does it matter?

[biggdogg]

Those kind of people r the ones giving yakamas a bad name they take advantage of the law they r only have a permit for one elk, if he was hunting to eat then hw wouldn't be shooting nice bulls the spike tasted good. No I am not full blooded yakama I'm half but have never been taught any other way of life, and yes my wife does hunt and so do my boys I like see them shoot animals mor than I like to shoot I just make sure the freezer is filled everything they shoot gets giving away to family we have yet ate one they shot.

[Whitefoot]

yup! agreed!!  That's why the laws are getting changed because non-Indians are getting married into the Tribe to do what he does or did!!!  Same ol Sh*t!

[fishunt247]

I don't buy the ceremonial hunt claim. I'm not aware of any elk ceremony, or if there are elk ceremonies, there aren't as many ceremonies as elk shot. So I'm not convinced.

My animals shot are for food too. That white guy should have to do the same.

I'm not even sure how a white man shooting an elk has any connection to ceremony anyways.

[Whitefoot]

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[Coastal_native]

Not sure how the Yak's handle ceremonial tags, but I think a lot of people get the ceremonial tag system confused.  Over here ceremonial tags have to be justified...typical reasons for requesting a ceremonial hunting tag are for funeral's, potlatch's, special B-day's (elders)...mainly large gatherings of people for a special purpose.  An elk doesn't go very far when you are feeding 100+ people.  When a ceremonial elk is taken and people volunteer to cook, it can go a long way in saving money for someone who has just lost a loved one.  

As long as the F&G office is making sure all requests are valid, it is a good system.  

[Practical Approach]

I don't buy the ceremonial hunt claim. I'm not aware of any elk ceremony, or if there are elk ceremonies, there aren't as many ceremonies as elk shot. So I'm not convinced.

My animals shot are for food too. That white guy should have to do the same.

I'm not even sure how a white man shooting an elk has any connection to ceremony anyways.

Not sure I follow?  Was ceremonial hunting referred to earlier?

[mack2255]

 

[biggdogg]

Yakama ceremonial is for the churches,funerals,weddings etc. but the only time we have to get a permit is after the first of the year and the permit let's u shoot 2 does and 2 cows but i know people who shoot as many as they can as long as their not checked just another example of of people taking advantage of the system wrong in my opinion. I see a lot of animals all shot to hell, they don't even take care of them for ceremony all they do is skin it out and drop it off, I get asked to hunt for a lot these ceremonies because i only deliver steaks and roasts but everybody knows that has ever taken care of an elk the proper way it's time consuming.

[Coastal_native]

they don't even take care of them for ceremony all they do is skin it out and drop it off, I get asked to hunt for a lot these ceremonies because i only deliver steaks and roasts but everybody knows that has ever taken care of an elk the proper way it's time consuming.

We run into the same problem from time to time, especially when a youngster gets signed up to be a designated hunter for an elder.  If you're hunting for an elder you better expect that they're not going to be able to butcher and wrap an elk all by themselves.  Anymore I just do it all, unless they specify otherwise.  The elders get really excited when you deliver steaks, roasts, and burger all wrapped up...It's like they've become accustomed to not expect that kind of generosity from younger people anymore...it's sad, but rewarding.  Like I've said before, I wish all people could have that opportunity...if you love hunting and appreciate the value of having wild game for subsistence, there is nothing more rewarding.

[Special T]

Whitefoot, Bigdog, Maybe you can help me understand because I am a little flustered by your comments About the guys that marry into the tribe... I don't know why because its none of my affair... It seems to me that you judge him (and others like him), Just like many judge Indians they see doing bad stuff... Some here generalize that it was "Some Indian Poaching" when it could have been anyone, and they may not have been poaching...

The second part that i have a hard time wrapping my head around is if about food, or being connected to the land, then why is the Wife in the scenario out of the loop? Should she be taking a more active role? The one out shooting??? Would she just have to come along to make it legal or ethical???

I have no dog in this fight so i'm not sure why it rubs me the wrong way...If you please shed some light on the subject that would be great.

BD "it is bulls*** i hate that they can hunt the rez just because their married into the tribe he can't hunt where ever he wants if he goes off reservation and hunts he is doing it illegal so if you happen to see him off rez turn his ass in hopefully he will get caught,"

"Those kind of people r the ones giving yakamas a bad name they take advantage of the law they r only have a permit for one elk, if he was hunting to eat then hw wouldn't be shooting nice bulls the spike tasted good."

WF "yup! agreed!!  That's why the laws are getting changed because non-Indians are getting married into the Tribe to do what he does or did!!!  Same ol Sh*t!"

[whiteeyes]

Special T   marrying into the tribe might give a person special privileges, but, sitting in a Safeway parking lot bragging about it doesn't go over to well. A person would hope that having special privileges  as those would hold them close to their chest.  Ethics comes to mind.
Cant answer for the people you addressed above but thats the way I see it. I would hate to see the wife get into trouble with the Tribe because of her husband over expressing his privileges on the street.   

[kirkl]

Reading through this whole thread. it doesnt look like any one gets in trouble for anything unless it gets uncovered like letters to the editor and the news stations covering it. Nothing would have happened to those guys at the feeding station if none of that would have happened. Im sure the white guy marrying into the tribe is just a small fish in the pond for them. they can barely handle the big stuff like the feeding station hunting which really puts a negative light on it all. just sayin.

Special T   marrying into the tribe might give a person special privileges, but, sitting in a Safeway parking lot bragging about it doesn't go over to well. A person would hope that having special privileges  as those would hold them close to their chest.  Ethics comes to mind.
Cant answer for the people you addressed above but thats the way I see it. I would hate to see the wife get into trouble with the Tribe because of her husband over expressing his privileges on the street.   

[biggdogg]

Did u miss the part about their only allowed to shoot one elk one deer depending on how old his boys r do u really think they shot the elk he was talking about, the wife is supposed to be with him I know for a fact these guys take advantage of being married into the tribe because I see it going on all the time, but I'm tired of all the crap it's not my job to worry about other people just worry about myself. kirkl's comment is wrong I was already told they going to get punished from the tribe before news and letter to the editor stuff call bs if u want but came from a good source