N/E washington?

[gjbruny]

 They have managers for various regions and those managers had better meet their conservation goals or repercussions will follow.

boy i would sure hope so..... considering how much time a single hunter has to wait/put in just to draw for the opportunity to get ground from the nation to hunt...... and then HOW MUCH MONEY  that individual has to pay for that "leased" ground if they do draw (makes our non-res fees look very appealing  ). absolutely crazy!!! and sad at the same time.

[gjbruny]

This thread went in a direction i never imagined. Got a little heated for a bit there.

i was just thinking that very same thing.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

 i have hunted over baits before and have killed 3 deer in 3 different seasons over them. it isn't my cup of tea but i won't bash somebody for doing it..... that would make me a hypocrite. i still use big piles of corn and/or alfalfa for my "buck inventory cams."

I thought the deer you shot this year was baited?

[DBHAWTHORNE]

 They have managers for various regions and those managers had better meet their conservation goals or repercussions will follow.

boy i would sure hope so..... considering how much time a single hunter has to wait/put in just to draw for the opportunity to get ground from the nation to hunt...... and then HOW MUCH MONEY  that individual has to pay for that "leased" ground if they do draw (makes our non-res fees look very appealing  ). absolutely crazy!!! and sad at the same time.

Yeah.. I think that is why they are so hard on them when they don't meet their goals.

[gjbruny]

 i have hunted over baits before and have killed 3 deer in 3 different seasons over them. it isn't my cup of tea but i won't bash somebody for doing it..... that would make me a hypocrite. i still use big piles of corn and/or alfalfa for my "buck inventory cams."

If it isn't your cup of tea, then why are you still doing it?

miles- go back and read the thread. the deer i shot this year was baited...... over a trail cam..... i didn't hunt over them.  i definately use baits for my trail cams all the time. the deer i killed over baits were over 10 years ago. i just didn't like having 10 sets of eyes on me at all times. it was a stressful way to spend time in a stand...... i couldn't move, make any noise...... and god forbid i farted.

i don't have anything against them whatsoever and if i went out of state and was placed over one...... you can bet i'd hunt it so long as it was legal.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

 i have hunted over baits before and have killed 3 deer in 3 different seasons over them. it isn't my cup of tea but i won't bash somebody for doing it..... that would make me a hypocrite. i still use big piles of corn and/or alfalfa for my "buck inventory cams."

If it isn't your cup of tea, then why are you still doing it?

miles- go back and read the thread. the deer i shot this year was baited...... over a trail cam..... i didn't hunt over them.  i definately use baits for my trail cams all the time. the deer i killed over baits were over 10 years ago. i just didn't like having 10 sets of eyes on me at all times. it was a stressful way to spend time in a stand...... i couldn't move, make any noise...... and god forbid i farted.

i don't have anything against them whatsoever and if i went out of state and was placed over one...... you can bet i'd hunt it so long as it was legal.

Would it be safe to assume you are using the bait/trailcam to pattern these bucks. I often will set stands several 100-400 yards away from a bait along a path I know the bucks to be traveling when moving to the bait. I sometimes prefer this for two reason 1. The bucks hang back until dark at times. 2. It alleviates the high alert and  a dozen sets of eyes.

Even though I am not hunting directly over the bait I still consider it baiting.

[gjbruny]

DB-absolutely...... i had a stand about 150 yards from the bait. killed him from a natural ground blind that i built about 12 years ago that was 600 yards give or take from the nearest bait...... the only issue was..... what bait was he going to? i had 9 cams/baits on this farm when i shot him and pics of him on 4 of the cameras. the 150 yard stand was the closest to any one camera/bait that i had.... just as much as it would have been to be sitting a trail leading into one of the orchards or one of the winter wheat fields. all of the baits/cams were on either a winter wheat field or in one of the orchards that are adjacent to the wheat. the baits are there so i can see what was on the cameras..... but yeah, it is baiting.

typically, i use bait and cams for my "buck inventory".... they are placed well out in the fields so that they attract as many deer as possible so that i know what is out there. you probably noticed in the thread with my buck that i said something to the effect of "this is just part of a thread that i cut and pasted here." i guess you would have to read the whole thing on a different site. i do a hunt/scout along thread every year but to make a long story short, there was a very short window of time for me to hunt this farm and i had a "hunch" that this buck still roamed a specific area (i think i even posted on the other site that i really don't enjoy hunting over baits). the cam just verified it. i could PM the link if you would like.

like i said before..... i'd happily give up the cams/baits during season for the sake of the herds. not being able to check cams would be like not having christmas morning..... but i could deal with it and i'd still fill my tag on mature bucks just like before trail cams were introduced.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

DB-absolutely...... i had a stand about 150 yards from the bait. killed him from a natural ground blind that i built about 12 years ago that was 600 yards give or take from the nearest bait...... the only issue was..... what bait was he going to? i had 9 cams/baits on this farm when i shot him. the 150 yard stand was the closest to any one camera/bait that i had.... just as much as it would have been to be sitting a trail leading into one of the orchards or one of the winter wheat fields. all of the baits/cams were on either a winter wheat field or in one of the orchards that are adjacent to the wheat. the baits are there so i can see what was on the cameras..... but yeah, it is baiting.

typically, i use bait and cams for my "buck inventory".... they are placed well out in the fields so that they attract as many deer as possible so that i know what is out there. you probably noticed in the thread with my buck that i said something to the effect of "this is just part of a thread that i cut and pasted here." i guess you would have to read the whole thing on a different site. i do a hunt/scout along thread every year but to make a long story short, there was a very short window of time for me to hunt this farm and i had a "hunch" that this buck still roamed a specific area (i think i even posted on the other site that i really don't enjoy hunting over baits). the cam just verified it. i could PM the link if you would like.

like i said before..... i'd happily give up the cams/baits during season for the sake of the herds. not being able to check cams would be like not having christmas morning..... but i could deal with it and i'd still fill my tag on mature bucks just like before trail cams were introduced.

 

I have no doubt we would do fine without the cams but I would like to keep them...like you said... the Christmas morning thing. It's better than Christmas to me.

Definitely PM me the site.. if it is a good forum.

[gjbruny]

you're right, Miles. can i enter my unguided midwest whitetails in on this?

there is a difference on sitting 600 yards from a camera with a pile of hay that IS IN THE MIDDLE of a main food source (to have the best possible chance of seeing every deer on the farm) vs. sitting smack dab over a pile of hay up in the timber....... if it isn't, then when i sit over an alfalfa field, winter wheat field, or apple orchard am i baiting? there was not one single camera that i could have even taken a shot at (no available trees) unless i would have used a pop up blind. every single field that the cams were on are no smaller that 250 acres and 2 are 600+...... these cams are in the middle of the fields with 2 being on the fringes. trust me when i say these deer were already coming here and in no way did i alter their already well established travel routes from the timber...... hell, i had just located this buck a few days prior with binos, not a camera.... but i guess you know how i roll without even knowing the whole story. come hunt with me "over my baits"..... we'll see how well you do and you can tell me if its the same thing as setting up and hunting a bait site..

you know what ASSUME is an achronym for...... right?

do you talk to everyone with that kind of sarcasim? sheesh.... some people's kids.

[gjbruny]

where did i ever say i hunted "beside" the bait? 7 of the 9 are IN THE MIDDLE.... THE MIDDLE of massive fields. fields that these deer are already eating out of.

the blind that i shot the buck out of was 600 yards...... 1800 feet...... over a QUARTER MILE from the nearest bait. hell, i was closer to a small orchard than a pile of hay...... IN THE MIDDLE OF A HAY FIELD.

so if the neighbor was baiting, and i was closer to his bait than "my bait", was i hunting over his bait? the neighbor's property line is only 200 yards from where i shot this buck and they feed deer year round in their yard.

i don't know why i bother...... its like talking to a rock.

[gjbruny]

You are baiting when you carry the alfalfa, and grain in to one of your nine piles.  You are bringing this in and placing it there, it is not naturally occuring in these nine different spots.  You are doing this to draw deer in to one of those locations, to take pictures of them which is in turn helping you decide which pile to hunt beside (not over).

And about the sarcasm....Yes.

i love it!!!!! and i was baiting you on this one. you are easier than whitetails ...... SO WHERE DID THE ALFALFA SEED, WHEAT SEED, AND APPLE TREES COME FROM? please don't say they are naturally occuring alfalfa fields.   the "bait" was in the middle of all those seeds...... the only way i could have hit a deer when on those "baits" is with a rifle..... but please don't accuse me of that one.

[gjbruny]

You know what I love....All the editing your having to go back and do to your previous posts.


FAIL.

i'm not used to having a site with spell check. ..... and i suck at spelling but would rather others didn't know...... oops, word is out.

guess i missed your point..... i can't edit your posts.

just relax....... ok ok, ya got me..... i'll admit it...... i baited the buck and shot him off the pile..... the word is out.... arrest me. oh thats right, baiting is legal here.

what do you think i have to hide when i am saying i didn't shoot this deer off a pile? bragging rights? if that is the case, i am sure you have a strong argument as to why i don't and never have entered any of my deer, elk, bears, or caribou into pope and young or B&C books right?

my original point pages back was...... i'd be happy to do away with baits if it would help the herds and in the process, some of these newer hunters who have only hunted over baits (especially with a bow) would be forced to actually learn a little more about how to hunt vs. how to shoot.

i never claimed i didn't bait for trail cams, haven't shot deer over piles. i guess i don't know what you are trying to prove? or do ya just like petty internet drama/pissing matches?

[gjbruny]

 yep..... ya got me. i suppose the 3 cams on the apple trees i had out this summer were baits too right? the trees were put there by people, they are very confined areas of food, and concentrate the deer around them. oh yeah, they also don't have another tree around them for 150-200 yards in all directions.... they are lone russian apple trees in the middle of agricultrual fields...... no different than a bale of hay in the MIDDLE of an alfalfa field.

yes, it is baiting.... for the sole purpose of getting pics of bucks. but if you think my killing a deer at over 1/4 mile from the nearest pile  is the same thing as hunting over baits....... on 9,000 acres of private ground..... then you and i will have to agree to disagree.

its guys like you that camp on the computer and go looking for a pissing match that makes me wonder why i ever sit down infront of the computer and log onto these sites. do you actually even hunt?

this was actually turning out to be a good thread.

[gjbruny]

its guys like you that camp on the computer and go looking for a pissing match that makes me wonder why i ever sit down infront of the computer and log onto these sites. do you actually even hunt?

Now your catching on....with this 9 hour time change I make it a little game of mine to see who I can get so worked up that they'll stay online in to the wee hours of the morning trying to "win".  Thanks for playing.

Oh, and do I hunt?  No, I hike around during hunting season and when I hear a shot I run towards it and beg the person to let me take my picture with it.  After I have the picture I proceed to argue with them over how they chose to pursue and hunt the buck, until they catch on to my "game" and then I thank them for playing along...and head for the next victim.



On a serious note....yes I do hunt, and I do so without the use of baits because I can.

yep.... up late tonight. i just had to bury our 10.5 year old  dog this evening that my wife and i got about 6 months after we were married. we don't have children yet so our dogs fill that role for now.... so as you can imagine, sleep ain't happening.....

here, maybe this will explain how i hunt better than i can on this thread.... it is the buck i killed last year that was hanging with the 166" buck i killed this year.

if it doesn't do the trick as to explaining how i use "baits".... nothing will (i killed this deer around a1.5 miles from the nearest canera that you consider a bait where i am "set up beside")..... and oh yeah, there are plenty of edits in my posts there. like i said, i'm not used to having spell check like we do on this site and i suck at spelling.

some of the trail cam pics with the corn should give you an idea at just how out in the middle of the fields i am talking. others are strapped to apple trees that you consider baits.


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[gjbruny]

crap..... i edited the last one because i forgot to add the link. it must be an evil plot right?