Antelope Reintroduction to Washington

[Gringo31]

I think that's all fine and good but in reality total BS.

It IS uncommon and usually illegal to move animals across state lines without the proper testing and paperwork.

The "price tag" is cheap in comparison to an "issue".



Why does the res have the right to put Washington Agriculture at risk because they don't want to pony up the cost of doing it correctly?  Why do the cattlemen have to pony up the $$$ to test, release, read, then resample any animals with a reaction?  That causes stress to the cattle, as well as labor etc.

Don't get me too wrong here.  I like that people had a goal and got it done.  I do believe it to end up in a train wreck, but this type of BS of shipping before anyone knows if there were any positives is crazy.  I suppose the rules apply to those that follow them.

[Jack Diamond]

Gringo31 is spot on,and I do hope the WSDA and state Vet do get involved, Laws have been broken.

[butcher98951]

I think that's all fine and good but in reality total BS.

It IS uncommon and usually illegal to move animals across state lines without the proper testing and paperwork.

The "price tag" is cheap in comparison to an "issue".



Why does the res have the right to put Washington Agriculture at risk because they don't want to pony up the cost of doing it correctly?  Why do the cattlemen have to pony up the $$$ to test, release, read, then resample any animals with a reaction?  That causes stress to the cattle, as well as labor etc.

Don't get me too wrong here.  I like that people had a goal and got it done.  I do believe it to end up in a train wreck, but this type of BS of shipping before anyone knows if there were any positives is crazy.  I suppose the rules apply to those that follow them.

no laws have been broken and yes they still do transport cattle and other live stock across state line without test in hand...why do you think its just the NATION the nevada state game is in it to along with the SCI...

[buck man]

If pronghorn ARE native to this state, and there is proof of that, then the WDFW SHOULD be working to re-establish pronghorn populations just as they are doing with wolves.     You'd think they'd be all for it, considering the antelope would provide more food for the wolves.   

I have not read all the posts so this may be redundant, but as a kid elk hunting the west bar I counted 17 antelope, and saw them 2 different times 2 years apart. Are they still there anyone know?

[bearpaw]

I think that's all fine and good but in reality total BS.

It IS uncommon and usually illegal to move animals across state lines without the proper testing and paperwork.

The "price tag" is cheap in comparison to an "issue".



Why does the res have the right to put Washington Agriculture at risk because they don't want to pony up the cost of doing it correctly?  Why do the cattlemen have to pony up the $$$ to test, release, read, then resample any animals with a reaction?  That causes stress to the cattle, as well as labor etc.

Don't get me too wrong here.  I like that people had a goal and got it done.  I do believe it to end up in a train wreck, but this type of BS of shipping before anyone knows if there were any positives is crazy.  I suppose the rules apply to those that follow them.

no laws have been broken and yes they still do transport cattle and other live stock across state line without test in hand...why do you think its just the NATION the nevada state game is in it to along with the SCI...

I transport horses every year across state lines and I am required to have them vet checked and vaccinated or it is a violation of law. Don't get me wrong, I am very glad to see antelope being brought in, but gringo has raised a valid question and I do hope some precautions were taken.

When you travel to New Zealand everything is inspected. They have a pretty clean country and they want to keep it that way which is smarter than the US has been in the past. If your boots are even dirty and if you have visited a farm or hunted anywhere recently, they sterilize your boots. One time I had an arrow in my quiver that I had killed my muskox with, it had a new broadhead but still had some blood on the shaft, they cleaned and sterilized it. This is how they have prevented the spread of disease, noxious weeds, etc.

So even though I fully support the transplant, I do hope precautions were taken.

[Gringo31]

I believe at this point in the conversation it's going to get real quiet.  Once results come back and should they come back all negative, at that point people will start chiming in and saying how they tested em all and were all negative.  Fact is, they can't say that right now. 

The part I don't understand is how this is possible.  It seems that the res can do what they want and therefore may not have to follow the "rules" that are in place BUT they had to drive across Washington State public ground to get to their res where our rules and laws don't apply.  This was a irresponsible act.

[BallisticsNut]

I believe at this point in the conversation it's going to get real quiet.  Once results come back and should they come back all negative, at that point people will start chiming in and saying how they tested em all and were all negative.  Fact is, they can't say that right now. 

The part I don't understand is how this is possible.  It seems that the res can do what they want and therefore may not have to follow the "rules" that are in place BUT they had to drive across Washington State public ground to get to their res where our rules and laws don't apply.  This was a irresponsible act.

I think people are making judgement calls without ALL the facts.  This has been "work in progress" for several years, this I know.  I also know that SCI is not in the business of breaking laws nor supporting functions that break laws.  I do know that SCI has spent nearly a hundred thousand of dollars on studies, testing and more studies and more testing before this even got off the ground.  Thats a lot of money to spend from a non profit organization.  Does it really make sense to anyone that they would do this and break the law?  C'mon guys, quit passing judgement until you have all the facts. 

[Gringo31]

I believe at this point in the conversation it's going to get real quiet.

Clarification...
I believe at this point the conversation will get very quiet except for people who blindly defend and assume people are blindly accusing.

I am not blindly accusing.  When I asked around I was told they are waiting for the test results.  Seems pretty clear to me.


I don't like being a nay-sayer or just bitching so I'm going to let this go.  You guys know where I stand, that irresponsible risks were taken which put Washington Ag at risk. 

[bearpaw]

Even though I think gringo made a very good point, I just can't imagine any SCI chapter purposefully breaking any laws. I would think there is more to this story or perhaps they really don't need prior testing, I simply can't believe the release was not done in a legal manner. 

Again, I am very glad to see antelope being brought to Washington and hope they bring additional animals in the future. Nice to see something positive happening in regards to wildlife in this state.

[farmin4u_98948]

Wouldnt it be nice if we could be this careful about who moves in our neighborhoods. THey cant move here. Have they had their shots. They could lower the values of the property.       I think its all class envy. People cant give the natives credit for anything other than bad... BRAVO for the tribe... 

[Viszla]

I think its all class envy. People cant give the natives credit for anything other than bad... BRAVO for the tribe...

I don't think the tribe needs any credit for this.  What would you expect them to do, turn down the offer?  If someone wanted to put antelope on my property I surely would not turn them down.  Shame on WDFW for not being part of this, however.

[runamuk]

I think that's all fine and good but in reality total BS.

It IS uncommon and usually illegal to move animals across state lines without the proper testing and paperwork.

The "price tag" is cheap in comparison to an "issue".



Why does the res have the right to put Washington Agriculture at risk because they don't want to pony up the cost of doing it correctly?  Why do the cattlemen have to pony up the $$$ to test, release, read, then resample any animals with a reaction?  That causes stress to the cattle, as well as labor etc.

Don't get me too wrong here.  I like that people had a goal and got it done.  I do believe it to end up in a train wreck, but this type of BS of shipping before anyone knows if there were any positives is crazy.  I suppose the rules apply to those that follow them.

I agree that testing should be done for any transplanted critters with a possibility to spread disease to existing populations.....I also can see where keeping them in captivity too long poses a risk of intense stress, however most tests I would think could be rushed..I have paid through the nose to get my blood tests back so my horses could cross state lines.  I wonder if the test results were cleared and just not in hand at the moment of release?? and I'd love to hear from someone who actually was involved in this release because I still think its pretty cool.

Ag and wildlife wars in WA will continue we have wolves and we have sheep the wild sheep lovers hate the domestic sheep producers...the buffalo farms also arent too fond of sheep...its all about control and cash in this state very rarely is it actually about much else ...

[WDFW-SUX]

The rez is sovereign land they can do what they want.  Who cares?

[Gringo31]

The rez is sovereign land.  But, they can't go buy a foot and mouth cow from South Korea and ship it to Wapato. 

It might be an extreme example but it makes my point.

[WDFW-SUX]

I disagree.. they can do what they want unless the feds and the BIA say NO.

a few 1000 goats aren't going to harm anyone. If there sick they can be quickly killed of over a long weekend..

I wonder if the colville's/spokane's want some goats or buffalo