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Quote from: YellowDog on February 08, 2011, 09:39:37 AMAs for the fairness question, who really believes the system we have is fair? If you are lucky enough to witness a poaching incident, call it in, get an officer to respond, catch the perp, get a prosecutor to get a convication, etc. you get 10 points. You get a much better chance of drawing a tag for doing what you should be doing in the first place. Fair?? I don't really think so. Should you get a cash reward? Maybe but why should you get to move to the front of the line in the drawing? We all like to believe that because everyone is in the drawing and those with more points have their name in the drawing more times it is fair. We have all heard the stories of people drawing the OIL permits with 0-3 points, drawing premium elk and deer permits year after year without building points, while the guy with 15 points gets nothing. The truth is, the system we have is not fair so it is kind of comical to hear everyone saying ITS NOT FAIR when we are talking about something that you bought being controlled by the state.If you're going out of your way to aid in stopping a poacher, who in all reality is not just a one time poacher, you're helping preserve the resource. I don't think it's unfair at all to give these people some kickback for helping save animals and busting a criminal.And points aren't meant to be an end all be all, or the tags would simply go to those with the most points. This system gives those who have put in the longest a better chance than those who have put in for a shorter time, not necessarily guarantee them the tag. That's the beauty of this state over max point states. Our children are not screwed for ever drawing a premier tag.
As for the fairness question, who really believes the system we have is fair? If you are lucky enough to witness a poaching incident, call it in, get an officer to respond, catch the perp, get a prosecutor to get a convication, etc. you get 10 points. You get a much better chance of drawing a tag for doing what you should be doing in the first place. Fair?? I don't really think so. Should you get a cash reward? Maybe but why should you get to move to the front of the line in the drawing? We all like to believe that because everyone is in the drawing and those with more points have their name in the drawing more times it is fair. We have all heard the stories of people drawing the OIL permits with 0-3 points, drawing premium elk and deer permits year after year without building points, while the guy with 15 points gets nothing. The truth is, the system we have is not fair so it is kind of comical to hear everyone saying ITS NOT FAIR when we are talking about something that you bought being controlled by the state.
Mathematically, it wouldn't work. Eventually, the only people drawn would be second or third generation participants in the drawing even without exponential weighting. Also, the money is a same year commitment to the resource it is not a points investment. The points program can end at any time without refund for your accumulation. If points do have a value, you are required by law to report the capital gains, the difference between the price you paid and the fair market value of the points. Let's not go there.
Quote from: Little Dave on February 08, 2011, 09:51:47 AMMathematically, it wouldn't work. Eventually, the only people drawn would be second or third generation participants in the drawing even without exponential weighting. Also, the money is a same year commitment to the resource it is not a points investment. The points program can end at any time without refund for your accumulation. If points do have a value, you are required by law to report the capital gains, the difference between the price you paid and the fair market value of the points. Let's not go there.Bingo
You're right, I did forget that part. Figure an additional $70 per person per year, that's an additional $3500 over 10 years. So I'd have 'invested' $5000 total, or $500 a year to have a nearly 3 times better chance at drawing than someone who has been putting in alone for 15 years. Or a 625 times better chance at drawing than your kid who just passed hunter safety.I understand the thinking, but this idea is flawed.
You would owe capital gains when you redeem or sell points if points have a value.
If I were you I'd start looking at buying landowner tags in Colorado if you want a top tag anyways. They operate on a max points system and the points required to draw a top tag keep climbing every year. That's why I like our system so much. Sure I don't draw this year but I've got a better chance than the guy who hasn't put in as long. Also, when I finally do draw, I like feeling of know that I have a chance to draw again the next year, albeit a small chance.I'm unfamiliar with Wyoming or Montana, not sure if they operate the same as Colorado.
Right now, an anti-hunting type can put in for a permit with hopes to someday draw the permit and not use it. Under the current arrangement his points are wiped out when he dies. I like it that way.
