bear dogs?

[Swatson]

So if I own a hay field, corn field, apple orchard etc.  Am I allowed to chase  down the Elk and Deer with dogs?  NOPE SURE CAN"T !!!

? State gives out all kinds of land owner tags for these problems!  It's a no brainer for timber companies when it comes to using dogs for bears as its way more effective.  I'm confused on why this would be an issue for anyone.  The liberal folks of this state voted to screw the hound hunters back in the 90's and now a very small percentage of them get to run their dogs on timber company lands to help the timber companies out and that bothers you?  It doesn't effect your general bear season and their certainly is no lack of bears in the woods anymore. 

[bucklucky]

So what do they do with them?  Let them rot?  Seems like a lot of people like bearskins and bear meat.

We would take the meat to the local butcher and it would then go to the food bank or shelters as burger. The hide went to a local fur dealer that bought the hide contracts for like 5 years. The contracts were bid on every 5 years . If you killed a bear that you wanted you could buy the hide back from the fur dealer after it was tanned. And yes, thee was times that we did get paid for Milleage but that was only the good timber companys wich was nice. Fuel gets expensive and we were doing a favor for the timber companys small and large. We would get permits for pieces that were as small as 20 acres . Neerly every tree was peeled. That alot of dough they could loose. Small tracts were the herdest to kill bears off of because it was hard to get the bear while they were oin such a small piece. Most of those peices didnt have a road through it so you would have to leash dogs up and go through or try to walk them through a beerly inpenetreble brushy westside jungle ..... oh I miss it 

[johnsc6]

  Me too

[JimmyHoffa]

Thanks guys for answering my question on this.  The post that prompted me to ask kind of made it seem like the houndsmen couldn't do anything with the bears.  I figured there was probably some kind of use for the bears.  I've known farmers in other states that like having people come shoot all the feral hogs, and they didn't care what was done with them...kind of like coyotes.  I was curious if this was like that, but if the law didn't allow them to use the animals.

[Houndhunter]

last i knew, you must kill every bear you tree aswell. so you tree a sow with cubs and youd have to shoot all of them, atleast thats how it used to be not sure if it is any different

[Michelle_Nelson]

I say good for the Hound Hunters that are getting to run there dogs.  Boot hunters get the option to draw a tag and a few houndsman get to do what they enjoy (see there dogs work).     
 
The bill that was passed making Hounds illegal for Bear and Cougar and Baiting illegal for Bears is bullchit. 

[Special T]

I run into more people now that are more inclined to turn a blind eye to less than legal activities like shooting  bears over bait, w/ dogs, or at wolves.. Or so they say... I can only surmise that many normally law abiding hunters are getting tired of getting hosed by the state... I've heard all the Bla Bla about a poacher is a poacher from the high and mighty on this site, but we must realize that we either need to fight, give up our sport, or condemn ourselves to being outlaws. 

[hunter93]

also if i rember right last year when i was on a timber permit, the permit was for two bear, and i think we only had like two weeks to harvest them. then we would have to apply and wait for another permit. i think the should just open up a month or two for the hounders to hunt, to help with the maangement. even if they made it so if you chose to run dogs then you can only get the one bear tag instead of the two we are allowed. just an idea.

[bucklucky]

Another thing, trees grow for years before they are harvested, so bear damage hurts real bad over the years where as say a crop of wheat. How long does a tree have to grow, 25 years or better. Trying to compare a farmers crop to a timber companys trees is assinine In my opinion. You just dont replant a tree everytime one gets pelled and dies.

  As for tag numbers for depredation. A forester will come in and count the damage in certain blocks of land and will ok a certain number of tags wich is normaly no more than 2 , but does sometimes get to be more. There is usually a 2 week period for the tags to be filled. You can ask for an extension if necesary and is usually granted. Usually the 2 weeks is enough time if you got good access and plenty of land to hunt.  The timber company has no say as to how many bears get killed, thats up to WDFW. It is a pain in the ass process.

[D-Rock425]

Its to bad they don't make the spring tags spring bait tags it would sure bring the success rate up.

[bucklucky]

Its to bad they don't make the spring tags spring bait tags it would sure bring the success rate up.

I agree

[bowsandhose]

Its to bad they don't make the spring tags spring bait tags it would sure bring the success rate up.

 

[bearbaito6]

Yeah but, by using bait you are not necessarily targeting the bears causing the damage. Not all bear peel trees. Using hounds in the area with damage and only being able to hunt one square mile from gps cords,  is more likely to get the bears that are doing the damage. By using bait your going to suck bears in from miles away. Also I don't think most of the guys baiting that kill a bear are going to want to give it away to charity after sitting in a tree stand for days on end. The hound guys only benefit is to run there dogs they don't get to keep any part of the bear, and neither should bait guys.

[D-Rock425]

I didn't mean for timber companies.  I meant for the spring bear tag drawings. 

[bucklucky]

I didn't mean for timber companies.  I meant for the spring bear tag drawings.

Me too, I wish baiting would be legal period.