Drew Coweeman Cow and Toutle Bull

[Deer slayer]

My hunting group of four drew a coweeman cow and a toutle bull.  I am pumped because I know both units very well.  Ofcourse I will see very little of the coweeman.

[BigBucks]

Congrats!!

My party drew 7 cow tags in the Coweeman..  Let the blood bath begin and full freezers for everyone!!

[Deer slayer]

That should be fun.  Let me know if you need help with the unit.

[Deer slayer]

It sure would be nice if you could turn the cow permits back in and get your points back or even better allow you to fill both permits.  Two elk would be nice. If they made it where you buy a second tag it would generate some more revenue which is what the state is about.

[BOWHUNTER45]

we talkin rifle or bow or muzzle here... my som got a coweeman cow tag for January and he also got a Chewach quality deer .... can wait ....

[Deer slayer]

I have the November cow permit and the rifle toutle bull. So I won't use the cow permit.   

[BigBucks]

we have the november cow rifle!

[Deer slayer]

That will be easy. If you need help or don't know the area let me know. How many cow tags?

[BigBucks]

We have 7 cow tags and 3 bull tags, we should do the cows up pretty easy, we shall see on the bulls.  thanks for the offer on the help, I think we are good though been hunting it since 99 now but I am sure you may know holes that I don't know.

Don

[CavemantheHunter]

It is a shame that you lose all of your cow points then too. The WDFW needs to change that asap!

[Deer slayer]

It is a shame that you lose all of your cow points then too. The WDFW needs to change that asap!

You dont even want to know what I lost.  Its a little disturbing. 

[bobcat]

If a person doesn't want to lose points in more than one category, they have the option of not applying that year, in one of the categories, OR you can apply for the "point option". So you still gain a point but don't risk drawing a permit you won't use and losing all your points.   

[CavemantheHunter]

That is still a horrible option. If you get drawn for two tags, you should be able to tell the game department if you want them both or if you want to hunt one of those and then save the points for the rest. You pay separately for each tag, so you shouldn't lose one.

[Deer slayer]

If a person doesn't want to lose points in more than one category, they have the option of not applying that year, in one of the categories, OR you can apply for the "point option". So you still gain a point but don't risk drawing a permit you won't use and losing all your points.   

I realize that and do that at times.  I figured we as a group would draw the cow tags.  I never would have guessed that the group would draw quality toutle bull.  So it was a very nice surprise when I saw that I got the toutle tag but then realized that the cow points would go to waist.  Oh well.

[Alan K]

If a person doesn't want to lose points in more than one category, they have the option of not applying that year, in one of the categories, OR you can apply for the "point option". So you still gain a point but don't risk drawing a permit you won't use and losing all your points.   

 

I've got 11 or 12 points now, and I only actually put my name in the hat for quality until I draw that, then it's going to be in the hat for quality and general bull until I draw that etc.  I don't want to risk blowing any points unless I've only got maybe 1-5 in the quality category so a long shot of actually drawing in the same year. (Though I know it's still a long shot even with 11-12 points!)

[Alan K]

That is still a horrible option. If you get drawn for two tags, you should be able to tell the game department if you want them both or if you want to hunt one of those and then save the points for the rest. You pay separately for each tag, so you shouldn't lose one.

Taking the points away is intentional and a part of what the WDFW thinks will increase odds.  They figure people will be smart about it and not risk losing their points by putting in for multiple categories with a lot of points.  I just hope more people get burned like this and the word gets out that you shouldn't do it. If everyone just applied for the one hunt they want to draw in a given year it will increase the odds for everyone. 

[Deer slayer]

This is the way it went for me so you don't think I am an idiot. Back in 2002 I turned in a big poacher case. I got ten points. Last year I got drawn with 20 points for the quality bull so this year I started over with one. I still had 20 cow points and one buddy had 6 so a group of four put in for cow tags knowing we should draw. The same buddy also had six quality points and he his two sons each having a point and I put in for a quality toutle for a total of 9 points. We would assume we wouldn't draw the toutle tag with average 3 points. Well we did. I chose a point option because I now have 21 bull points.

[hunter360]

I got picked for a bull tag in the Olympic, and a cow tag in Winston. I put in for both of them because I barely had any points. Didn't think I'd get picked for anything.

[Alan K]

This is the way it went for me so you don't think I am an idiot. Back in 2002 I turned in a big poacher case. I got ten points. Last year I got drawn with 20 points for the quality bull so this year I started over with one. I still had 20 cow points and one buddy had 6 so a group of four put in for cow tags knowing we should draw. The same buddy also had six quality points and he his two sons each having a point and I put in for a quality toutle for a total of 9 points. We would assume we wouldn't draw the toutle tag with average 3 points. Well we did. I chose a point option because I now have 21 bull points.

If you're talking about me thinking you were an idiot, not at all, that's exactly how I would have played it.  We'll see when the time comes where my cutoff will be, but I'll probably put in for quality hunts along with other tags I'm trying to draw until I've got 7-8 quality points.

At the same time though nobody should gripe over losing points in both categories or want to be able to fill both tags, that would defeat what little purpose aside from revenue that this new category system brings to the table.

[NWBREW]

That is still a horrible option. If you get drawn for two tags, you should be able to tell the game department if you want them both or if you want to hunt one of those and then save the points for the rest. You pay separately for each tag, so you shouldn't lose one.

I don't agree. You do have the option to not apply for more then one just for that reason. I have many points and drew a cow tag. I put in for points for quality bull this year just so that kind of thing didn't happen to me. As for paying for each tag....you only pay for one elk tag. You do pay for a seperate application but that is why it's called a draw. You pay for a chance....that's it. Some win..some lose. You can not blame the dept. for drawing more then one tag and losing points. It is your own choice.