Lack of nice bulls in Quality hunt areas

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

I agree with everything you said. I also do not see how simply stating that for those who do not like sharing the public land with other users then move to private land. For a little more money people can hunt their method and standards to their hearts content. They can manage the land for better opportunity. Lots of hunt club have antler restrictions. Nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong with pointing out Quality Tribal Management instead of only complaining. Or, is there something wrong with that?

Nothing wrong with what you said, but remember we are in Washington, almost all the Elk live either on public land or "Private" Timber company land. There are a few large ranches, but they have either gone permit, or are in a permit GMU already.
As far as "pointing out Quality Tribal Management instead of only complaining" comparing Arizona to Washington, yes there is some good hunting on tribal lands in AZ, but that is not the only area, also, is is a source of revenue for the tribe (I dont think they have casino's), and the real reason, HABITAT, Washington has potential, but no comparison to Arizona.

[STIKNSTRINGBOW]

I do like that idea of restriction of three point or better being bumped up. 

Lets say next year it is 4 point or better.  Run that for a couple of years then bump it up to 5 point or better then leave it there. 

The meat hunters could still wack cows since we have cow tags. But this would provide better breeding stock and a better bull to cow ratio.

In my opinion would be better to make it 4 point MAXIMUM, then switch to 5 point minimum to get the genes established.

[Wenatcheejay]

OK, but isn't the complaint that spikes are being taken out of the area when most the Westside is 3pt+? So you want the special permits to be 5 point or better and keep the Westside 3pt+ or the whole Westside to be 5pt+? What about damage management? What about kids, what about Disabled? What about Master Hunter, what about Tribal harvest? What about Special Permits, what about cows and all the special interests I just mentioned? Why 5pt why not 6pt then it is a Royal. Problem is like I said, we do not have a Dept of Game. We have a Dept of Wildlife. They do not manage for the exlusive Trophy hunting. That is for Game Ranches.

[PlateauNDN]

I agree with everything you said. I also do not see how simply stating that for those who do not like sharing the public land with other users then move to private land. For a little more money people can hunt their method and standards to their hearts content. They can manage the land for better opportunity. Lots of hunt club have antler restrictions. Nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong with pointing out Quality Tribal Management instead of only complaining. Or, is there something wrong with that?

Nothing wrong with what you said, but remember we are in Washington, almost all the Elk live either on public land or "Private" Timber company land. There are a few large ranches, but they have either gone permit, or are in a permit GMU already.
As far as "pointing out Quality Tribal Management instead of only complaining" comparing Arizona to Washington, yes there is some good hunting on tribal lands in AZ, but that is not the only area, also, is is a source of revenue for the tribe (I dont think they have casino's), and the real reason, HABITAT, Washington has potential, but no comparison to Arizona.

Now this is what I like reading about.  Reading this topic has proven to me what I have been saying on here and what I have been saying around my area.  We need a Stronger Regulatory Commission for Game Management and we could in my mind compete with Arizona and other Tribes in the Western US for Trophy animals. 

We have the resources to support Quality Animals but not the Rules or Regulations to support it.  I have been saying this for quite a while around my area and now it seems that I'm not the only one talking about it. 

There is a lot of Tribes besides Arizona that offer Trophy Hunting and if you want to see what's out there look up huntingtherez.com or check out their facebook page titled the same thing and you can read stories from hunts and see a lot of good pictures.

This magazine is geared towards everybody not just Tribal members and it showcases a lot of good hunting packages on Tribal Lands for Non-Tribal members as well.  I encourage everybody just to check it out and you can make up your own mind about it.  Again all the hunts in this magazine are for Tribal and Non-Tribal Hunters.

[Wenatcheejay]

I agree with everything you said. I also do not see how simply stating that for those who do not like sharing the public land with other users then move to private land. For a little more money people can hunt their method and standards to their hearts content. They can manage the land for better opportunity. Lots of hunt club have antler restrictions. Nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong with pointing out Quality Tribal Management instead of only complaining. Or, is there something wrong with that?

Nothing wrong with what you said, but remember we are in Washington, almost all the Elk live either on public land or "Private" Timber company land. There are a few large ranches, but they have either gone permit, or are in a permit GMU already.
As far as "pointing out Quality Tribal Management instead of only complaining" comparing Arizona to Washington, yes there is some good hunting on tribal lands in AZ, but that is not the only area, also, is is a source of revenue for the tribe (I dont think they have casino's), and the real reason, HABITAT, Washington has potential, but no comparison to Arizona.

Now this is what I like reading about.  Reading this topic has proven to me what I have been saying on here and what I have been saying around my area.  We need a Stronger Regulatory Commission for Game Management and we could in my mind compete with Arizona and other Tribes in the Western US for Trophy animals. 

We have the resources to support Quality Animals but not the Rules or Regulations to support it.  I have been saying this for quite a while around my area and now it seems that I'm not the only one talking about it. 

There is a lot of Tribes besides Arizona that offer Trophy Hunting and if you want to see what's out there look up huntingtherez.com or check out their facebook page titled the same thing and you can read stories from hunts and see a lot of good pictures.

This magazine is geared towards everybody not just Tribal members and it showcases a lot of good hunting packages on Tribal Lands for Non-Tribal members as well.  I encourage everybody just to check it out and you can make up your own mind about it.  Again all the hunts in this magazine are for Tribal and Non-Tribal Hunters.

 

[piledup]

Reading the thread title, I thought this thread was about lack of nice bulls in quality hunt areas but it seems like the talk is over one area.

It seems to me that other Quality hunt areas have pretty nice bulls to me

I'm getting off topic here, back to you guys.

[bucklucky]

Id like to see a general season for spikes only on the west side and then have craws for branched bulls 5 point or better, you want to see what kind of bulls the west side will grow that would be the ticket, more draw oppotunities for everyone for a quality bull.

[TheHunt]

I know this will make people mad but I would like the entire state to go draw only with a few units at 5 point or better with no spikes taken.

[Wenatcheejay]

I know this will make people mad but I would like the entire state to go draw only with a few units at 5 point or better with no spikes taken.

Yeah, eliminating 90% or more of the hunters would solve a lot of the issues in this State. It would please the anti's, tribes, purists, and WDFW could just pay "designated agents" to dispatch nuisance animals. Kind of like one big "National Park." That would have a lot of support in this State.

[TheHunt]

The hunters can still hunt cows

[Coweemanslayer]

I'm thinking this topic got a little off on a tangent. Anyways, there was a lot of interesting opinions and things I learned. I do agree that making the westside a 4pt minimum would drastically help. Plus, maybe coming up with a spike only tag would be efficient. I think when they give out 210+ tags in an area and people know they can shoot spikes last resort it's not helping the herds and it's for sure not herd management. I understand that certain spikes and three points have bad genes and some need to go but there are a lot of quality young bulls being shot. For the people that want meet in the freezer that's why there are cow tags. Don't get me wrong either I've shot 3 points and for some people that is a trophy and I would totally agree it is. I just think that some of these areas need some help so we can get some bigger bulls running around instead of all rag horn 3 points.

[Wenatcheejay]

I'm thinking this topic got a little off on a tangent. Anyways, there was a lot of interesting opinions and things I learned. I do agree that making the westside a 4pt minimum would drastically help. Plus, maybe coming up with a spike only tag would be efficient. I think when they give out 210+ tags in an area and people know they can shoot spikes last resort it's not helping the herds and it's for sure not herd management. I understand that certain spikes and three points have bad genes and some need to go but there are a lot of quality young bulls being shot. For the people that want meet in the freezer that's why there are cow tags. Don't get me wrong either I've shot 3 points and for some people that is a trophy and I would totally agree it is. I just think that some of these areas need some help so we can get some bigger bulls running around instead of all rag horn 3 points.

They give more tags and we complain, they reduce tags and we complain, spike/antler restriction's and we complain. How about we push for a "Game Department?" Or, I agree, take 95% of the people out of the equation and end General Hunting. That seems to be what people really want. You will have the support to push for it.

[WA hunter14]

yea you guys should stop talking about it so the wrong person doesnt read it an think its a good idea an make it their next goal in life 

[The100Road]

 

[Coweemanslayer]

I'm thinking this topic got a little off on a tangent. Anyways, there was a lot of interesting opinions and things I learned. I do agree that making the westside a 4pt minimum would drastically help. Plus, maybe coming up with a spike only tag would be efficient. I think when they give out 210+ tags in an area and people know they can shoot spikes last resort it's not helping the herds and it's for sure not herd management. I understand that certain spikes and three points have bad genes and some need to go but there are a lot of quality young bulls being shot. For the people that want meet in the freezer that's why there are cow tags. Don't get me wrong either I've shot 3 points and for some people that is a trophy and I would totally agree it is. I just think that some of these areas need some help so we can get some bigger bulls running around instead of all rag horn 3 points.

They give more tags and we complain, they reduce tags and we complain, spike/antler restriction's and we complain. How about we push for a "Game Department?" Or, I agree, take 95% of the people out of the equation and end General Hunting. That seems to be what people really want. You will have the support to push for it.

I agree! What a complainer....