and it begins!

[dreamunelk]

A 400 class bull in June

[PlateauNDN]

Sorry it took so long for me to respond but it's been a really busy weekend for me with work, family and trying to squeeze in a fishing trip with the wife and kids.  The bull in question I have not seen but the truck in question belongs to a gentleman in the Toppenish area and he had a permit to harvest a cow elk or doe (since the season doesn't start till Aug. 31 for them) for the sole purpose of providing the meat to the family of a Tribal Member that passed away last week.  If he was not able to locate a bull or buck then the permit would allow for the harvest of the female species as a worst case scenario.  Again, the permit is only good for the harvest of one animal and it specifies who the permit holder is and for what reason.

I talked with a couple of old co-workers and they haven't heard if it was the same group or not but they really appreciated the info. and are keeping an eye out.  That's a direct thanks to Bone from them for providing the info.

And to those that think I'm just blowing smoke or full of BS I'll add this because I don't think anybody heard about it.  This past friday I was at Yakima County Superior Court attending a poaching case involving 2 gentleman that were not Yakamas nor any other Tribe but were descendants (which means not enough blood to be enrolled members).  They attempted to plead their case that they were Indians but without belonging to a Tribe they are not subject to our laws or any other Tribes laws.  They were attempting to elude a Tribal Game Warden east of Rimrock lake and were finally cornered and caught with the assistance with WSP. 

The Tribal Game Warden was in attendance on behalf of the prosecution and there were several other Tribal Officials in attendance to speak out against these gentlemen for trying to use the Tribe on their behalf for poaching.  The Tribal Game Warden back tracked from where he first encountered them and managed to find the gut pile and photograph and mark the scene for coordinates.

The case was continued until the 22nd I believe and I will keep you guys posted on the outcome if you'd like?

As I mentioned before please call in the information you may have or give it to me and I'll do it.  Even if they look Tribal or not I check everybody I encounter and I don't have a problem doing it.  If you want to remain anonymous then give it to me and I'll do it.

[Buckmark]

The bull in question I have not seen but the truck in question belongs to a gentleman in the Toppenish area and he had a permit to harvest a cow elk or doe (since the season doesn't start till Aug. 31 for them) for the sole purpose of providing the meat to the family of a Tribal Member that passed away last week.  If he was not able to locate a bull or buck then the permit would allow for the harvest of the female species as a worst case scenario.  Again, the permit is only good for the harvest of one animal and it specifies who the permit holder is and for what reason.

? So i am confused, did you mean to say (and dont let me put word in your mouth) that this person had a permit for either a Cow Elk or Doe, and in the event that either of those where unable to be located that the permit holder could then in a worst case scenario take a Bull or Buck to fill the permit?
And if so, really he could not locate a cow or doe....really....

[Tbar]

Bucks and bulls are open I think. No permit needed? I believe that was said earlier but could be wrong.

[Buckmark]

Bucks and bulls are open I think. No permit needed? I believe that was said earlier but could be wrong.

Ok, thanks..

[PlateauNDN]

Sorry for the confusion, yes male species are open and the permit was for the female species in the event they were not able to locate a male they have the option of harvesting a female for the family, and they only have a very small window to utilize the permit if it's not filled then they are SOL. 

[dreamingbig]

Thanks for the follow up.  Any idea on the thought process of shooting a huge bull in velvet in late June/early July vs. a smaller bull or spike?  I personally hope the antlers aren't worth anything or that profit wasn't the motive.

[huntnfmly]

Thanks for the follow up.  Any idea on the thought process of shooting a huge bull in velvet in late June/early July vs. a smaller bull or spike?  I personally hope the antlers aren't worth anything or that profit wasn't the motive.

[unluckyjohn]

Did I miss in all this when you thought a crime may/could have been committed and you called 911 to report a possible crime? The police (game or tribal) will call you back and inform you and all of us the real story. we will call in a possible drunk driver or someone committing a crime against a person but  ASSUME the tribes are just doing their thing. I am not defending just making the point of why not question and make law enforcement help keep an eye on our game.

911 OR NOT WHEN DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU SEE THIS, OR DO WE JUST ASSUME ITS THE TRIBE AND WE SHOULDNT ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT SHOULD BE ASKED WHEN A CRIME WAS/ COULD HAVE BEEN COMMITTED

[PlateauNDN]

Thanks for the follow up.  Any idea on the thought process of shooting a huge bull in velvet in late June/early July vs. a smaller bull or spike?  I personally hope the antlers aren't worth anything or that profit wasn't the motive.

I honestly don't know their motives or intentions and I'm notquiet aboutmy distatse for what was done and continues to happen.  When I find out more I will keep everyone posted.  Also I check with everybody I see in the woods and don't have a problem being checked myself.

[724wd]

any updates?

[boneaddict]

Thanks Plateau!

[Mr Mykiss]

I think it's a crime no matter who does it!! ...see the topic I'm about to post.

[bearpaw]

This will be interesting to hear if anything surfaces. Another possibility, could it have been a roadkill someone salvaged?

[PlateauNDN]

I've narrowed the truck ownership to a Toppenish man though I can't confirm if he was the one that actually harvested the bull.  I have several different sources saying it was him or another gentleman.  I don't know either one and those that have assisted me have not seen the bull either just heard from acquintances that they went hunting for the funeral that I had mentioned in the earlier post.

If they had harvested the bull for the funeral then nothing can be done legally and that's really upsetting they had to harvest such a magnificent bull prematurely instead of another smaller bull or fill the female permit they received.

I will continue to keep everybody posted.