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Idaho: No Quotas, 2 Wolves, and Trapping
« on: July 09, 2011, 12:44:09 AM »
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2011/07/08/v-print/1719666/idaho-wolf-hunting-rules-dont.html

July 08, 2011

Idaho wolf hunting rules don't include quotas
 
By JOHN MILLER - Associated Press

Idaho wildlife managers won't have quotas on wolves in much of the state for the upcoming hunting season as they seek to significantly reduce the population now estimated to number more than 1,000 animals in the state.

Idaho Department of Fish and Game officials announced the plan Friday, while Montana aims to sign off on its own wolf-hunting plan next week.

Idaho's no-quota, general season in about three-quarters of its wolf country will please those who believe wolves have multiplied beyond acceptable levels but anger wildlife advocates who fear the state will manage wolves irresponsibly.

Fish and Game Director Virgil Moore declined to name a target for kills for the seven-month season that begins at the end of August, saying only that Idaho will manage wolves so that their population remains above 150 animals and 15 breeding pairs, the point where Idaho could attract federal scrutiny for a possible re-listing under the Endangered Species Act.

"We don't expect to see a harvest that will put us into that critical area," Moore told reporters Friday in Boise. "The department has the ability to close the season at any time" if hunters are killing too many wolves.

Moore was optimistic that just having a wolf hunt - the previous hunt was scuttled by a federal court ruling that left the animals temporarily protected by the Endangered Species Act - will help relieve frustration among some Idaho outdoors enthusiasts that hungry wolves have tipped the balance and are leaving too few big game animals for human hunters.

There will also be a 10-week trapping season from December to mid-February. New this year as well, hunters can shoot two wolves, from a limit of one in 2009.

Idaho Fish and Game Commission members still must sign off on the plan at their July 27-28 meeting in Salmon. And Moore left open the possibility that public comment could still result in changes to the plan.

For instance, there's a proposed 60-wolf quota in the Sawtooth hunting zone just northeast of Boise, largely because it's near a significant population of hunters who enjoyed above-average success during the last wolf hunt starting in 2009. But Moore conceded that public outcry in favor of adopting no quotas in that region could sway commissioners to adopt a more lenient limit.

Suzanne Stone, Northern Rocky Mountains representative of the Defenders of Wildlife in Boise, said she fears commissioners in Salmon will open the floodgates to even more wolf killing.

"I think it's going to get worse when it goes to the commission," said Stone. "The problem is, there is no goal for maintaining a population above 150. What are the criteria for closing the season if you have no population goal above 150? It's incredibly vague."

Unlike Idaho, Montana is still planning a statewide quota, with its State Fish, Wildlife and Parks commissioners meeting July 14 to adopt a quota of 220 wolves to be killed.

In the 2009 hunt, more than 30,000 people bought Idaho wolf tags, but killed only 188 wolves.

This year, only 3,100 people have purchased the $11.75 permit.

With hunters unlikely to kill as many wolves as the department hopes, Idaho will also rely on federal wolf hunters and airborne gunners to kill wolves blamed for killing too many livestock or big game like elk. The hunting public is still forbidden from using planes to shoot wolves.

"Wolf control actions will take place in and out of the hunting season," Moore promised.

There will be five Idaho hunting zones with limits on wolf kills, focusing on hundreds of miles of the state's rugged border with Montana. That's to help ensure there are corridors where Idaho wolves can breed with Montana packs, with the aim of ensuring the genetic interchange necessary for the survival of a healthy species.
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Re: Idaho: No Quotas, 2 Wolves, and Trapping
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2011, 05:00:19 AM »
thats good news :tup:

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Re: Idaho: No Quotas, 2 Wolves, and Trapping
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2011, 08:49:35 AM »
A big boost would be to lower the price of the non-resident tags, it would bring in WAY more revenue for the state to lower the price and they would get outside help to knock the numbers down.
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Re: Idaho: No Quotas, 2 Wolves, and Trapping
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2011, 08:53:11 AM »
Come on open season.....  hopefully no one shut down. Keep hunting.

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Re: Idaho: No Quotas, 2 Wolves, and Trapping
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2011, 08:59:03 AM »
Looks like sales are way down.  Thats almost the same season we had for cougar in WA and harvest number were still only around 200 cats.  I think it will probably be about the same for wolves in Idaho.  They sold 30000 tags in 2009 and only took 188 wolves.  At least they have trapping in Idaho.  We are screwed here in WA.

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BOISE, Idaho (AP) — Idaho wildlife managers will propose a wolf hunt without quotas in much of the state, but hunters so far have purchased only a fraction of the tags needed to kill the rangy predators, compared with the first hunt in 2009.

Having no limits on how many wolves can be killed in many hunting areas could be alarming for wildlife advocates who fear Idaho will manage wolves back into federal protection. There would still be quotas on parts of the Montana-Idaho border, where Department of Fish and Game managers seek to preserve a corridor where wolves from both states can wander back and forth and breed.

But with only about 3,100 tags sold through Thursday — compared with some 30,000 in 2009 — hunters are likely to fall well short of Idaho Department of Fish and Game's hopes of keeping predator numbers in check.

"We're not getting near the response this year in term of tag purchases that we did that first year,'' Idaho Fish and Game Deputy Director Jim Unsworth told The Associated Press.

That means officially sanctioned kills, including kills by federal agents, will likely remain the most important tool for wildlife managers.

Idaho and Montana are holding wolf hunts again this year after Congress passed a law delisting them, a move that quashed a U.S. District Court ruling that had kept them among animals protected by the Endangered Species Act.

Montana State Fish, Wildlife and Parks commissioners aim to meet July 14 to adopt a quota of 220 wolves to be killed during fall rifle and archery hunts.

Details of Idaho wildlife managers' hunt proposal are due next Tuesday, with the Idaho Fish and Game Commission's approval necessary before a hunt starts, likely in September.

Adoption of season regulations will come at the commissioners' meeting July 27-28 meeting in Salmon, Idaho.

Hunters killed 72 wolves in Montana in 2009 and 188 in Idaho.

Idaho's season was extended to March 31, 2010 but hunters still fell short of reaching a 220 wolf quota.

Unsworth said this year, there will be no quotas in areas where wolves have successfully reproduced to the point that Fish and Game agents and local residents blame them for eating too many big game animals like elk and for conflicts with livestock and traditional ranching.

Those areas include the Lolo area in northcentral Idaho, where the agency wants to reduce the 75 to 100 wolves estimated in the Lolo region to just 20 to 30.

With as many as 1,000 wolves or more already in Idaho, Unsworth says there's little worry the absence of quotas in some areas will result in hunters killing so many wolves that federal U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service officials in charge of managing endangered or threatened species would step in.

"We can always close seasons the next day,'' he said. "If we're getting concerned at all we can close the season. We're not going to have a target. We are going to reduce them from where we're at right now.''

However, Suzanne Stone, Northern Rocky Mountains representative of the Defenders of Wildlife in Boise, called the proposal reprehensible. She said wolves are a lightning rod species, even though coyotes kill more livestock and cougars more elk per animal than wolves.

"So, just open season?'' Stone said. "They don't manage any other kinds of wildlife that irresponsibly. I'm shocked to think that's OK with wolves. This is clearly a political and knee jerk reaction, rather than a biological need.''

In corridors including on the Idaho-Montana border northwest of Yellowstone National Park, Unsworth says establishing quotas will provide reassurances that wolves are able to travel back and forth and successfully breed to exchange the genetic material scientists say is necessary to perpetuate a robust population.

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Re: Idaho: No Quotas, 2 Wolves, and Trapping
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2011, 09:09:29 AM »
I think this no quota thing will boost tag sales.  With the last season I know there was always that thought hanging over your head that you had to check in and you might find that the season had closed.  This will encourage more hunters to fork out for a tag. 
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Re: Idaho: No Quotas, 2 Wolves, and Trapping
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2011, 09:56:59 AM »
I believe what kain said, that last year it hurts everyone feeling since they shut down wolf hunt and refund almost 25,000.  They aren't serious buying until open season so they know its serious or bluffing.  I wouldn't buy now because I would be way pissed when they shut down last fall.  Also economy will hurt hunters.  Its very sad deal. 
Very stupid of them to stop wolf hunt last fall.  Hopefully 30,000 standing line wait to buy tag soon it OPEN SEASON.

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Re: Idaho: No Quotas, 2 Wolves, and Trapping
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2011, 10:03:39 AM »
I believe what kain said, that last year it hurts everyone feeling since they shut down wolf hunt and refund almost 25,000.  They aren't serious buying until open season so they know its serious or bluffing.  I wouldn't buy now because I would be way pissed when they shut down last fall.  Also economy will hurt hunters.  Its very sad deal. 
Very stupid of them to stop wolf hunt last fall.  Hopefully 30,000 standing line wait to buy tag soon it OPEN SEASON.

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I don't want to jinx us, but I don't think a judge can just arbitrarily rule on this anymore now that it is passed legislation.   :dunno:  Someone would have to challenge the actual law in court.
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Re: Idaho: No Quotas, 2 Wolves, and Trapping
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2011, 10:37:21 AM »
Cool just hope more hunter will join.  I wonder if u purchase one tag does they give us two tags at one purchase for two kill per hunter. I am curious how to tag on wolf and do we have to go store get 2 nd tag before shoot 2 nd. 
I hope they can give two tags at purchase so u can shoot two same time.   :tup:

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Re: Idaho: No Quotas, 2 Wolves, and Trapping
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2011, 02:39:10 PM »
 :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL: Glad i already bought mine the day they went on sale. Hopefully I will have to buy a second one.
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Re: Idaho: No Quotas, 2 Wolves, and Trapping
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2011, 02:44:08 PM »
mulehunter, if they do the wolf tag sales like other tags, you should be able to purchse two tags before going hunting...  :tup:
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Re: Idaho: No Quotas, 2 Wolves, and Trapping
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2011, 02:49:50 PM »
From the Panhandle Topic....


What trapping seasons are proposed?
 
Season Dates: Dec 1 – Feb 15th
 
Based on patterns in Western Canada and in Alaska where both trapping and hunting wolves is allowed, we should expect a trapping harvest of up to 24 wolves in the Panhandle given similar circumstances.  However, Idaho wolf trappers will not be as experienced or numerous as trappers in Alaska and Canada, and they will be limited to 5 wolves per trapper per year (there is no limit in Alaska and most of Canada).


trapping is sounding like the way to go....  :tup:
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Re: Idaho: No Quotas, 2 Wolves, and Trapping
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2011, 10:47:24 AM »
Two wolf tags and no quota is a start. I would like to see Idaho and Montana allow a wolf to be tagged with any big game tag. If a hunter wants to burn his elk tag on a wolf, he should be able to. If hunters and trappers have less restrictions, we might not need to pay government hunters to do the job we would pay to do. That's the rub, Liberals can't let hunters and trappers kill wolves because hunters and trappers would enjoy it.
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Re: Idaho: No Quotas, 2 Wolves, and Trapping
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2011, 04:19:40 PM »
YEA BABY!!!!!!   Unit 10 here I come!!!!!!!
 
Reduced-price nonresident wolf tags ($31.75) in Lolo, Selway, and Middle Fork Wolf zones, consistent w/ nonresident bear and lion tag prices.
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Re: Idaho: No Quotas, 2 Wolves, and Trapping
« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2011, 05:44:48 PM »
YEA BABY!!!!!!   Unit 10 here I come!!!!!!!
 
Reduced-price nonresident wolf tags ($31.75) in Lolo, Selway, and Middle Fork Wolf zones, consistent w/ nonresident bear and lion tag prices.

 :bash: figures.... I already bought one at full price. But it doesn't really matter since I hunt 10A. I wish they would've added 10A to that list. I would buy another one. Hell I might anyways and make a special trip over just to hunt wolves....
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« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2011, 11:33:19 PM »
YEA BABY!!!!!!   Unit 10 here I come!!!!!!!
 
Reduced-price nonresident wolf tags ($31.75) in Lolo, Selway, and Middle Fork Wolf zones, consistent w/ nonresident bear and lion tag prices.

That sounds like the best deal...  :tup:
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Re: Idaho: No Quotas, 2 Wolves, and Trapping
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2011, 05:37:02 PM »
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