Hanford Bulls

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[Chiefbigbul]

Those were good words Cedar Pants, I get you because regardless of my treaty rights I must respect if my freezers full i don't need an elk or deer.  If it's not then fill it up and be done.  I understand the frustration, because I have two things that take most of my hunting rights away.  It's called kids and a job, so I hate anybody (no matter what race) without a job that gets to go hunting all day everyday.  So trust me jealousy warranted, at least from me.

[CedarPants]

Those were good words Cedar Pants, I get you because regardless of my treaty rights I must respect if my freezers full i don't need an elk or deer.  If it's not then fill it up and be done.  I understand the frustration, because I have two things that take most of my hunting rights away.  It's called kids and a job, so I hate anybody (no matter what race) without a job that gets to go hunting all day everyday.  So trust me jealousy warranted, at least from me.

Well said sir.    

Ain't it the truth about the kids and the job too

[PlateauNDN]

For me personally (and I speak only for myself), it comes down to the manner in which one chooses to exercise their treaty rights.

If I come across someone packing out a quarter and they inform me they are with so and so tribe and they just shot a couple bulls and a cow for their family way up on yonder ridge .... I'd tell them congrats and would be more than willing to offer to help them with the pack out.  Someone willing to put in that much work for their family is alright by me.

If I'm nearly run off the road by a group from so and so tribe driving a blue Tacoma at nearly 50mph in the Manastash during muzzy season and pull over to let them fly past (dusting me out in the process) only to come around a corner 5 minutes later to see the truck blocking the road and all of them running around with loaded rifles pointing every which direction but safe while they chase the buck they just saw (while one of them comes over to show me his .325 round and tells me its 'his baby' and tells me his grandson shot 5 bulls last year and is going for his 2nd buck this year) ..... well, I don't have much respect for that.

At the end of the day the treaty isn't going anywhere.  I don't have to agree with certain aspects of it, but I will certainly respect those doing good by it in an ethcial manner  .... just as I won't respect those that give it a bad name

Yet again Cedar, more words of wisdom and yet again we are in agreement with something.  You extended the gratitude to me and I will extend it back sometime as welcoming you to my camp, maybe next year if you're back in this area?

Those were good words Cedar Pants, I get you because regardless of my treaty rights I must respect if my freezers full i don't need an elk or deer.  If it's not then fill it up and be done.  I understand the frustration, because I have two things that take most of my hunting rights away.  It's called kids and a job, so I hate anybody (no matter what race) without a job that gets to go hunting all day everyday.  So trust me jealousy warranted, at least from me.

I believe we share the same feelings there Chief.  Kids and a job, I love both but one more then the other. 

[Yak-NDN]

such as?

Such as someone posting pictures of a beautiful bull on federally protected lands that no one is supposed to be able to hunt and a native member walking up to it, killing it, and then getting to show it off to all his buddies and brag that he killed a huge bull. That is just one example, and a good one IMHO.

You set a good example of talking out your a$$. Where was this bull taken? What have you got that shows it was killed off hanford and not north of hanford or DNR land or permission on some land? You don't so quit talking $hit

[igotbigbulls]

 

[sirmissalot]

The way I read it this bull was taken off Hanford. I read how it was ceded land blah blah blah and that you guys have the right to hunt it. Apparently I stand corrected, I am not too proud to admit I am wrong if that's the case. The only thing I have seen is that we can't prove it was shot on Hanford, nothing that proves it wasn't shot on Hanford.

[Yak-NDN]

Innocent until proven guilty

But because he was Indian he must have been drunk, used a spotlight , and didn't take anything but horns. But you guys didn't find anything did you? I know a bunch of you were looking for a dead elk. But didn't look anywhere but on hanford you didn't find anything did you?

[Yak-NDN]

If it was killed in the restricted area then ya I hope he is busted. If he was legal then quit crying. And in the mean time if you don't know zip it.

[CedarPants]

For me personally (and I speak only for myself), it comes down to the manner in which one chooses to exercise their treaty rights.

If I come across someone packing out a quarter and they inform me they are with so and so tribe and they just shot a couple bulls and a cow for their family way up on yonder ridge .... I'd tell them congrats and would be more than willing to offer to help them with the pack out.  Someone willing to put in that much work for their family is alright by me.

If I'm nearly run off the road by a group from so and so tribe driving a blue Tacoma at nearly 50mph in the Manastash during muzzy season and pull over to let them fly past (dusting me out in the process) only to come around a corner 5 minutes later to see the truck blocking the road and all of them running around with loaded rifles pointing every which direction but safe while they chase the buck they just saw (while one of them comes over to show me his .325 round and tells me its 'his baby' and tells me his grandson shot 5 bulls last year and is going for his 2nd buck this year) ..... well, I don't have much respect for that.

At the end of the day the treaty isn't going anywhere.  I don't have to agree with certain aspects of it, but I will certainly respect those doing good by it in an ethcial manner  .... just as I won't respect those that give it a bad name

Yet again Cedar, more words of wisdom and yet again we are in agreement with something.  You extended the gratitude to me and I will extend it back sometime as welcoming you to my camp, maybe next year if you're back in this area?

Absolutely my friend.  I would consider myself honored to be invited to your camp

[liplocked]

liplocked, welcome to the show.  Another hateful person showing his real side.  liplocked have you read pages 1-34 everything you said has already been said.  Solutions is what we're looking for not another one of you guys...  Question for you, if we stop wasting meat will all your people quit waiting til the next morning to find their meat?  If my memory serves me correctly that spoils the meat...  Please gut your animals in a timely fashion.  We're not the only ones you see, every race has it's people that respect and disrespect.  So quit putting all natives in one pot, cause I just sounded stupid by saying tell all your people to find their meat.  Cause I'm not stupid enough to really think you can control that.   
But I will tell you how to take care of your problem, next time you see a Native go up to him and tell him how you really feel about him and let him know you are a hateful man and you are sick of our kind.  Either you'll be a man and say it or you'll just be LIPLOCKED!

Chief....this will be my second and last post on this subject.  However, one last thing on RESPECT!  I provided medical treatment for one of "your people" about 12 years ago.  He was injured in a logging accident, i provided medical care from the scene to the hospital which involved a medivac flight.  He was intabated(look up the def) and given medication to reduce his brain trauma.  Once at the hospital he underwent 11 hours or surgery including a plate in his head.  4 days after surgery i stopped in to see how he was doing, he was alert and talking!  I explained who i was and that i just came by to check on him.  He looked at me and grunted.....no thanks?

5 years later i ran into him again at a local taxidermy shop.  Again i explained who i was and that it was nice to see he had made a great recovery.  Again not so much as a thank you or hand shake.   RESPECT?

Please blow your peace pipe smoke the other direction, i'm not interested.

[stoney4474]

Again Liplocked that is just one native every race has its disrespectful people.....

[aer212]

if your spending so much money on the waiting for a tag to get a "trophy" to eat just by your meat. cheaper in the long run im sure

That is not the answer. Why should we have to buy meat when natives can hunt them without a tag? Also the answer is not to make it a no tag unit because then there wouldn't be any left. Sure it would be cheaper but like I said why should we have to when another group doesn't? Basically like saying whites quit hunting and buy your meat and us natives will do all the hunting in the state.

[colockumelk]

 

That was a pretty ignorant statement.  bigbulls

I also think its ignorant that EVERY single native I've talked to believes that it would be irresponsible and bad game managment if the WDFW let licensed state hunters have the same rules and regs for hunting as the Natives currently do, but...  it is not irresponsible or bad game management for the Natives to do what they do.  How ironic is that?  Why is it good game managment and okay for for one group to do one thing but not okay and bad managment for the other group to do the same thing.  Perhaps someone could clarify that for this ignorant dumb redneck. 

IMHO this is what Spike only on the East Side has accomplished.  It has given the public some great wildlife viewing.  It has given the Indians  more bulls and bigger bulls to shoot.  It forces law abiding licensed hunters an opportunity to hunt branch bulls once every ten years.  Its made the WDFW ALOT of money.  It created alot of poachers.  It did increase the bull to cow ratio so that is one good thing.  But at the cost of what!!!!  I say open it up as 3pt min or 5 pt min.  If the WDFW is going to allow one group free reign on killing branch bulls and they say nothing can be done about it then screw it give the people who pay the salary for WDFW a fair and honest crack at them as well. 

[sirmissalot]

IMHO this is what Spike only on the East Side has accomplished.  It has given the public some great wildlife viewing.  It has given the Indians  more bulls and bigger bulls to shoot.  It forces law abiding licensed hunters an opportunity to hunt branch bulls once every ten years.  Its made the WDFW ALOT of money.  It created alot of poachers.  It did increase the bull to cow ratio so that is one good thing.  But at the cost of what!!!!  I say open it up as 3pt min or 5 pt min.  If the WDFW is going to allow one group free reign on killing branch bulls and they say nothing can be done about it then screw it give the people who pay the salary for WDFW a fair and honest crack at them as well.

Couldn't agree with you more. Its pretty ridiculous isn't it.