Hanford Bulls

[igotbigbulls]

as far as all the bashing and what not, it just needs to stop. all the ideas that have been put on here regarding how to break up the treaties are frankly ridiculous.

[runamuk]

are we so PC now we make up slanderous names using fruit next thing you know someone might be calling someone else a banana    or worse yet ...tomato.....

shoot, my wife's a twinkie... yellow on the outside, white on the inside.  her parents are Laotian, but my wife was born in montana...  she's about as white as you can get!   

edit: i suppose banana would qualify, too, be we always use twinkie.

apparently I am dense as a post had no idea there were real slurs attached to foods and race...damn this world is messed up 

sorry Jackelope if I broke all the rules that wasn't my intent I truly was kinda shocked that being called a fruit was a slur....I will crawl back under my rock where all men/women are created equal and color or race isn't an issue......

[jackelope]

It wasn't you, Run...no worries.
You can crawl back under your rock if you want, but don't do it on my account.

[Yak-NDN]

Or I think the tribe has to do something to break or ignore a rule in the treaty and it would cause the entire treaty to be void or have to be rewritten

such as possessing alcohol on the reservation.

Tired of people that don't know what they are talking about. The Tribe has tried to make it a dry rez but the state has said if it is sold in City limits and its not a Tribal business its ok and the tribe can not do anything about it. But the Tribal business can't sell alcohol.

[boneaddict]

That is a direct QUOTE from article 8 I believe in YOUR treaty.   Its a joke.   That shows how much of a joke the treaty is and obviously you agree

[boneaddict]

sorry, article 9.

exclude from their reservation the use of ardent spirits, and to prevent their people from drinking the same....

[boneaddict]

article 8 has to do with you being friendly, so be nice.

and promise to be friendly with all citizens thereof(the United State), and pledge themselves to commit no depredations upon the property of such citizens.

[runamuk]

It wasn't you, Run...no worries.
You can crawl back under your rock if you want, but don't do it on my account.

awe thanks....I have to go there occasionally or the poor toads get lonely ...like that poor cow we abandoned in a basement somewhere....gosh wonder if she is still there....

Or I think the tribe has to do something to break or ignore a rule in the treaty and it would cause the entire treaty to be void or have to be rewritten

such as possessing alcohol on the reservation.

Tired of people that don't know what they are talking about. The Tribe has tried to make it a dry rez but the state has said if it is sold in City limits and its not a Tribal business its ok and the tribe can not do anything about it. But the Tribal business can't sell alcohol.

yak if this is true how do they get away with selling alcohol on the rez's in casino's (so a indian owned and operated casino on a reservation on indian land not deeded land like the 100 yr lease lands in say tulalip)? serious question would like to know the answer?

[PlateauNDN]

It wasn't you, Run...no worries.
You can crawl back under your rock if you want, but don't do it on my account.

awe thanks....I have to go there occasionally or the poor toads get lonely ...like that poor cow we abandoned in a basement somewhere....gosh wonder if she is still there....

Or I think the tribe has to do something to break or ignore a rule in the treaty and it would cause the entire treaty to be void or have to be rewritten

such as possessing alcohol on the reservation.

Tired of people that don't know what they are talking about. The Tribe has tried to make it a dry rez but the state has said if it is sold in City limits and its not a Tribal business its ok and the tribe can not do anything about it. But the Tribal business can't sell alcohol.

yak if this is true how do they get away with selling alcohol on the rez's in casino's (so a indian owned and operated casino on a reservation on indian land not deeded land like the 100 yr lease lands in say tulalip)? serious question would like to know the answer?

I just answered this question in the polls section under the Initiative question if you want to take a look.

[PlateauNDN]

The Yakama Reservation has been dry for many years but as long as the State backs any business inside of an Incorporated City on the Reservation there is nothing the Tribe can do.  They have tried enforcing the ban before quite a few times and most recently during the 90's when they raided several businesses within the City Limits and they fought it in court several times and lost because the Tribe holds no jurisdiction over non-tribal members within City Limits.

[boneaddict]

Run, I am also quoting the treaty of 1855 for the Yakama Confederated tribes, so may not effect all of those folks.  Reading the treaty, it not only specifies the sale of alcohol but literally the consumption or possession of.   I think its ridiculous, but I think lots of it is.

[runamuk]

Run, I am also quoting the treaty of 1855 for the Yakama Confederated tribes, so may not effect all of those folks.  Reading the treaty, it not only specifies the sale of alcohol but literally the consumption or possession of.   I think its ridiculous, but I think lots of it is.

most of the treaties contain that language not just yakama ... I posted a link at one point to a source containing darn near every treaty existing up until very recently I had to read many of them for a class and they all include clauses regarding being dry.  I also think its silly BUT if they are saying the treaty gives them special rights then they must also acknowledge and follow all other aspects of the treaty otherwise my opinion the treaty is as good as toilet paper 

[boneaddict]

I agree.   This is also in article 8 which I find interesting.  It seems to me half of the complaints are that tribal court doesn't follow through with prosecution for laws being broke......If this is in writing, then why should this be an issue?

And the said confederated tribes and bands of Indians agree not to shelter or conceal offenders against the laws of the United States

[colockumelk]

I believe being a foriegn nationalist (or member of a soverign nation) entering a military reservation where something nuclear was being stored and discharging your firearm might constitute an act of war.  at least terrorism.......

I basically agree...so the question is...Has anyone with at least some first hand knowledge of what happened notified law enforcement?  I would have done it already, but don't have enough real information.

It would be ridiculous if someone knows for sure that this bull was shot on the reservation (Hanford) 5 days ago and hasn't tried to start the ball rolling.  If it is true, maybe they get away with it and maybe they don't, but we should at least TRY to make sure they get what they deserve.

Lets say it was shot on the Hanford Reservation.  How do you prove it five days later.  Proving beyond a shadow of a doubt would be almost impossible.  Short of video footage its not gonna happen.  Even if they found the gut pile the state is not gonna pay money to do a DNA test.  Forget about a conviction.  Not gonna happen. 

If it burns people up that bad write a letter to the editor in your local paper.  Forward the live pics and the dead pics. 

As far as if a member drinks alcohol this does not constitute a break in the treaty. Just like If an American citizen murders a Frenchman while visiting France it does not constitute an act of war.  The tribe would have to officially start selling consuming etc for it to ne considered a breach in the treaty.  Which as Plateau has said definately doesn't happen.

Now as far as being nice to the citizens like article 8 says and how YAK Rezboy and Coastal always pick on poor little me, this is obviously a concerted and organized attempt to hurt my feelings. Verdict.... GUILTY!!   

[boneaddict]

 


You'd think Hanford would have A LOT of video surveillance.