RMEF retracts support of H.R. 1581

[WAcoyotehunter]

Interesting to hear the the politicians that are pushing this bill are supported by oil and mining interests.  McCarthy (S Cal rep...) is heavily backed by contributions from Oil/Gas...

The SCI's own Ms. Simpson was formarly a lobbyist for the oil/gas industry in Washington D.C...

Wyoming's Barrasso received 300k in campaign funds from big oil and gas companies... think he has any favors to re-pay?

Yep...these folks are the ones looking out for hunters best interests...   

Don't be fooled by these people.  This bill does not mean more access for hunters, it means more access/abuse by big business.

 
http://www.hcn.org/blogs/range/sportsmen-beware-of-wolves-cloaked-in-201caccess201d 

[Knocker of rocks]

Interesting to hear the the politicians that are pushing this bill are supported by oil and mining interests.  McCarthy (S Cal rep...) is heavily backed by contributions from Oil/Gas...

The SCI's own Ms. Simpson was formarly a lobbyist for the oil/gas industry in Washington D.C...

Yep...these folks are the ones looking out for hunters best interests...   

Don't be fooled by these people.  This bill does not mean more access for hunters, it means more access/abuse by big business.

 
http://www.hcn.org/blogs/range/sportsmen-beware-of-wolves-cloaked-in-201caccess201d

 

[Elkaholic daWg]

 OK, But wasn't the new head of PETA heading the USFWS previously??

 And once again.......


 And THERE ARE ROADS in THESE areas except the greenies in the system re defined roads.

 " Many if not all of the “inventoried roadless areas” were once accessible by road.  When the green movement really got going in the 80's, many of the definitions of "roads" were changed.  No longer were logging roads, historic roads to your mining claims/old mines, or unmaintained forest roads classified as roads.  They suddenly became "trails".  Then suddenly from the political and "green" point of view, there were all of these "roadless areas” that needed saving"

[Knocker of rocks]

OK, But wasn't the new head of PETA heading the USFWS previously??

I believe the head of PETA remains that Ingrid lady, with her second in command being that pansy guy

[Elkaholic daWg]

OK, But wasn't the new head of PETA heading the USFWS previously??

I believe the head of PETA remains that Ingrid lady, with her second in command being that pansy guy

 OK, But wasn't the new head of PETA heading the USFWS previously??
 How stupid of me.....
Sorry! Wrong extremist group..... Defenders Of Wildlife!!!!

WASHINGTON – The following is a statement by Jamie Rappaport Clark, executive vice president of Defenders of Wildlife.


http://nctc.fws.gov/History/documents/Clark19970710.pdf

[Knocker of rocks]

 OK, But wasn't the new head of PETA heading the USFWS previously??
 How stupid of me.....
Sorry! Wrong extremist group..... Defenders Of Wildlife!!!!

WASHINGTON – The following is a statement by Jamie Rappaport Clark, executive vice president of Defenders of Wildlife.


http://nctc.fws.gov/History/documents/Clark19970710.pdf

That link is from 1997!!, and even then I don't find that it contains anything inflammatory.

Here is a Organizational Chart.  It seems like most upper positions are filled by career FWS employees, or sometimes lateral transfers from Land Management departments

http://www.fws.gov/offices/orgcht.html

While D.O.W. may do things that you don't agree with, such as the wolf program, they do not really seem like an extremist organization.  They are concerned with saving habitat, which benefits all hunters.  Can you point me to a stance of theirs, other than the wolf program, which is pointedly against the wishes and needs of hunters, or are your statements strictly knee jerk reactions to any pro-wildlife organization that is not  our good friends and fine land stewards  in the energy production industry?

[WAcoyotehunter]

OK, But wasn't the new head of PETA heading the USFWS previously??
 How stupid of me.....
Sorry! Wrong extremist group..... Defenders Of Wildlife!!!!

WASHINGTON – The following is a statement by Jamie Rappaport Clark, executive vice president of Defenders of Wildlife.


http://nctc.fws.gov/History/documents/Clark19970710.pdf

That document only outlines her career with the FWS?  It doesn't mention defenders.
 
BTW as a side note- Despite all thier pro wolf stuff, Defenders has done some pretty cool things that are good for wildlife.  The recent one that comes to mind is their funding the NE WA caribou surveys.  They have a different ideological approach to wildlife management than many hunters, but they do work for betterment of wildlife populations, which is great.

[Elkaholic daWg]

"but they do work for betterment of wildlife populations, which is great."

Like the Deer Elk, and Moose herds of Idaho, Montana, and soon ton be ours?

Wait  until their main focus gets  a hold of those same caribou. We won't need surveys


 Do trappers count Knocker?
From DOW (formerly Defenders of Furbearers)

" Q: Why don't you team up with other organizations that do the same or similar work, like World Wildlife Fund, and become one large organization?

A:
Defenders' main focus is restoring wolves to surviving former habitats in the lower 48 states and to prevent the extirpation of wolves in areas where they still exist. With the many threats to the environment, groups have been formed over the years to address other specific issues. We do work in coalitions with other environment groups on pressing threats to wildlife and habitat."

 keep drinking the kool aid boys!

  How about more access for everyone

[DBHAWTHORNE]

OK, But wasn't the new head of PETA heading the USFWS previously??
 How stupid of me.....
Sorry! Wrong extremist group..... Defenders Of Wildlife!!!!

WASHINGTON – The following is a statement by Jamie Rappaport Clark, executive vice president of Defenders of Wildlife.


http://nctc.fws.gov/History/documents/Clark19970710.pdf

That document only outlines her career with the FWS?  It doesn't mention defenders.
 
BTW as a side note- Despite all thier pro wolf stuff, Defenders has done some pretty cool things that are good for wildlife.  The recent one that comes to mind is their funding the NE WA caribou surveys.  They have a different ideological approach to wildlife management than many hunters, but they do work for betterment of wildlife populations, which is great.

Love how you throw the pro wolf stuff aside like it's not that big of a deal. I am certainly not sure how this wolf population will lead to the "betterment of wildlife populations". They were also a big proponent for banning cougar hunting in California back in the 90's. They are still a group that puts animals ahead of people.

[WAcoyotehunter]

That's what i met by the "ideological opposition" we (hunters) have with them.  I don't claim to be a fan of DW, I'm not.  But, the fact remains that they are doing some good things for wildlife.   What has NRA done to help habitat or wildlife populations lately?   Just because they support this bill does not make it good for hunters.

BTW- wolves actually are wildlife... just not really the type hunters like.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

That's what i met by the "ideological opposition" we (hunters) have with them.  I don't claim to be a fan of DW, I'm not.  But, the fact remains that they are doing some good things for wildlife.   What has NRA done to help habitat or wildlife populations lately?   Just because they support this bill does not make it good for hunters.

BTW- wolves actually are wildlife... just not really the type hunters like.

Yes the wolves are wildlife but they are not endangered, non-native (invasive species) and should not be placed above the other wildlife populations they will destroy. This is one of many reason hunters do not like wolves....and this doesn't even touch on the economic impact of this invasive species.

[WAcoyotehunter]

Sorry to get off on a rant- we shouldn't get going on wolves on this thread.  I'm more interested in the bill that would open millions of acres of federal timber/range lands to oil/gas/mining exploration.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

I agree.... wolf topics usually take over a thread and that's why I rarely post my opinions on them.

I certainly don't agree in going through and creating a bunch of new roads strictly for commercial interest. But I do believe we should open many of the roads we have closed over the years.

[Elkaholic daWg]

Sorry to get off on a rant- we shouldn't get going on wolves on this thread.  I'm more interested in the bill that would open millions of acres of federal timber/range lands to oil/gas/mining exploration.

Sorry.
 I am the one who took this off on a tangent to illustrate, that there are wheelers and dealers on BOTH sides of this fence. Are we so ignorant we think there are not Rappaport types at WDFW? It's LOADED  with them behind desks. Do you enjoy paying for DOW lawsuits which WE do?
As I do not want to see rampant  devopement in these areas going through and creating a bunch of new roads strictly for commercial interest either< give us the ones we had Back.
 And do you enjoy $4.00 gas ...while  a barrel of oil sells for under $90 I find this OUTRAGEOUS!  Funny how the price of fuel now seems to have NO relation to the price of a barrel of oil! Obumbles still hasn't brought oil production near pre  BP/Trans Ocean levels and his greenie minions are loving it. Wait till a hurricane hits the gulf and see how bad it gets! These same people fighting the roadless release act, are pushing "cap and Trade".

 restrict, Restrict, RESTRICT!!!.  DB, I'm with you on the other thread also
Once again sorry for the 


 One other thing. Here is a poll by the Wall Street Journal on this issue. Check out the numbers....
http://online.wsj.com/community/groups/question-day-229/topics/should-40-million-acres-land

[WAcoyotehunter]

I certainly don't agree in going through and creating a bunch of new roads strictly for commercial interest. But I do believe we should open many of the roads we have closed over the years.

I think theres some middle ground that would include some reopened roads and some that remain closed.  But I'm glad the wolf in sheeps clothing is being revealed with this horrible legislation.  It's not going to help hunters.  We need another avenue to move towards some compromise with road use.