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Quote from: birdmanwa on August 30, 2011, 09:07:23 PMI hate having to determine how fishing was based on if the engines netted or not.wow. really dude? completely unnecessary. that makes us look like white trash that just want all the fish for ourselves. of course if you meant engine like vroom vroom engine, my apologies.
I hate having to determine how fishing was based on if the engines netted or not.
This state and most others prioritize commercial fishing because they do bring more of an economic benefit to the state
Quote from: singleshot12 on September 01, 2011, 06:52:23 PMI still don't understand why our state prioritizes commercial fishing...They destroy runs, can't fish selectively and can never eliminate bycatch, and after all this, they provide less of an economic benefit to our state than sportfishermen do.Here ya go http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/tribal/2011-12agreement.pdfThis state and most others prioritize commercial fishing because they do bring more of an economic benefit to the state and they can better manage a fishery with commercial fishing. Commercial fisheries do not destroy runs, poor salmon management destroys runs. Commercial fishing can be a selective harvest with almost no bycatch if the fishery has the proper restrictions on gear selection. To address the issue of an economic benefit, first the fishermen must buy a commercial permit and a boat (none of this revenue goes to the state but the taxes do). If that boat is built in one of the may shipyards in WA then that provides jobs. Then the permit might be bought through Dock Street Brokers, again providing more jobs for WA residents. Next the fisherman must buy gear, most likely from Givonovich nets or Redden etc. providing more jobs. If they choose to not hang the gear themselves then they pay a net hanger, another job. They must also hire a crew who buys commercial crew licenses from the state, more WA jobs and WA revenue. They have to pay taxes on the diesel they put in their vessel, another tax revenue for the state. Now the boat can go fishing and catch fish, then they must deliver their catch to a processor. That processor will have some type of a tender vessel on the water or a truck at a boat launch/dock to receive that catch. All those people are being employed by this fishery. Next the fish must be processed and then delivered to market, all of which cost money and labor. This is just one big chain reaction that creates jobs and revenue for the state of WA. One commercial fishing vessel through this chain reaction provides more revenue for the state then all the guys standing shoulder-to-shoulder with a rod on the river. Next the commercial fisheries are an effective management tool for the river systems WHEN they are MANAGED CORRECTLY. If the target species is Chinook salmon they SHOULD restrict the fishery to gillnet gear with a mesh size greater then 7.5", this would allow all smaller salmon to pass through the over sized mesh. Conversely when targeting pinks use mesh NO greater then 4" and so on so that each type of salmon can be targeted more effectively. Also restrict the gillnetters from using monofiliment gear, require the use of 6 or 9 stand gear which may be seen more easily in the water by the fish. Reduce the fishing areas to where the commercial fleet can only effectively catch fish destined for a specific river so they do not intercept fish bound for another, possibly struggling river system. The seine fishery is effective and provides a high quality fish however it cannot selectively fish for certain types of salmon like a gillnet can with gear restrictions. While some may disagree with next statement, it has been historically proven that rivers that obtain over escapement provide a diminished return in the future compared to those meet an optimal escapement goals. So when a certain river system is about to be slammed with fish it is a safe estimate that the recreation fisherman will not be able to stop the flow of fish that could endanger the spawning goal of that river, therefore using commercial fishing to meter the flow of fish into the river system is necessary.I am by no means saying that commercial fishing should be the only priority of this state, and by all means there are many river systems that cannot handle commercial harvest in this state and they are way below historical escapement numbers and need to be watched closely. However, through proper management and severe modification to this state's management of the salmon there could be a bright future. Perhaps there could be an allocation plan laid out that allots a certain percentage of every run to recreational and commercial fisherman where the run would not be in danger and everyone would get a piece of the pie.
I still don't understand why our state prioritizes commercial fishing...They destroy runs, can't fish selectively and can never eliminate bycatch, and after all this, they provide less of an economic benefit to our state than sportfishermen do.Here ya go http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/tribal/2011-12agreement.pdf
good points and well said. however hard facts aside I would be willing to trade all the fish at the market and jobs commercial fishing provides just so long as my grandkids to be can have a recreational fishery in the future.
I also think we need to take a good hard look at all the fish farms and the immense amounts of damage they are causing to the ecosystem and fisheries.
That S#%t just pisses me off and needs to end ASAP! If they want to abuse their rights then they should be dealt with harshly!
The reason there are so many Ruger upgrades is because they're necessary.
Don't remember who asked. Someone wanted to see a picture of a pile of salmon on the river bank. I saw this pic from the last humpy season going through on the pic scroll on this site. The pic was taken by forum member cascade. I do not know the details other than it's titled Salmon waste. Anyways for whoever wanted to see a picture of a pile of humpy's, here's one.
