Meeting this weekend (Yakima and Muckleshoot hunting rights in Oak Creek area)

[jackmaster]

I just sat back too and watched some people get mad. I thought it was great that the residents did give respect to the Yakama's when they were up front. 4 elk 2 bulls, 2 cows and 2 bucks, 2 does are allowed which I thought was great.  I was thinking maybe the muckleshoots can hunt on hanford and not hunt up in are units up here.  That is a point that I want to see happen.

i might be misunderstanding you but are you saying you would like to see the mucks be able to hunt hanford, and if so why? i think if anyone should get to hunt hanford it should be the youth hunters...

[Huntbear]

Or why don't they just gate off the road and give only a key to the residents like the residents wanted.  This way you are not taking any rights or opportunities away from the Yakamas you are just forcing them to access the area like their ancestors did.  On Foot!!!!  The Treaty said they have the right to hunt all their ceded land.  I don't see anything in the treaty that says the WDFW or DNR can't lock gates blocking vehicle access to the ceded land. A gate doesn't mean they can't hunt it, it just means that they will actually have to work for their harvest.   

Not sure most of em would know how to hike in, then actually have to pack out the whole kill, one trip at a time..  like all of us do.... oh wait, that is right, they get special privileges, that we do not get.... dumb ass me....  sorry guys...

[PlateauNDN]

Or why don't they just gate off the road and give only a key to the residents like the residents wanted.  This way you are not taking any rights or opportunities away from the Yakamas you are just forcing them to access the area like their ancestors did.  On Foot!!!!  The Treaty said they have the right to hunt all their ceded land.  I don't see anything in the treaty that says the WDFW or DNR can't lock gates blocking vehicle access to the ceded land. A gate doesn't mean they can't hunt it, it just means that they will actually have to work for their harvest.   

Not sure most of em would know how to hike in, then actually have to pack out the whole kill, one trip at a time..  like all of us do.... oh wait, that is right, they get special privileges, that we do not get.... dumb ass me....  sorry guys...

You're right most of them probably wouldn't know how to hike in, I for one would support a gate there to solve the issue of easy access.  And unfortunately I'm one of the Indians that does know how to hike in and pack out so it's a plus for me when you eliminate the easy access for the lazy road hunters.

[colockumelk]

The situation is a PR nightmare not only for the tribe but for all of hunting in general.  The green peace doesn't care if your  a tribal hunter or a licensed hunter. We are all barbarians to them. If the antis wanted to build an anti hunting case all they would have to do is take a camera up there this winter. Either the tribes need to outlaw hunting up there or the gates need to be put in. Another case of a few bad apples giving us a bad name and closing off access to all.

[Yak-NDN]

I do agree with the blocking it off. But why cant you put up some signs in the mean time? *censored* you drive in and its just getting light and then you see elk  standing around and no signs. We need very good signs. After the news and the papers have big articles on off rez hunting more and more Natives are going that way and they are new to the area and don't know the no hunting zones or the feed stations especially ones without gates and signs. I am not saying that is an excuse but it might help the ones that do care about breaking the law.

[norsepeak]

according to the tribal game dept. representatives that were at the meeting all the natives have to do is open up their game laws and actually read them.  The representatives said it's all spelled out in their rules that the feed stations are safety zones and are off limits to hunting.

[PlateauNDN]

according to the tribal game dept. representatives that were at the meeting all the natives have to do is open up their game laws and actually read them.  The representatives said it's all spelled out in their rules that the feed stations are safety zones and are off limits to hunting.

That's the problem most of them don't and they don't care to educate themselves about it.  I agree some signs should be posted and I'm not defending those Indians for not reading our regs. but it would be more ammo for L.E. when they catch somebody violating the regs.

Again, the PR didn't help any either.  Just as Yak-NDN stated I'm hearing more and more natives are trying to venture out to new areas and they don't know S#%t about the area but because they seen it on the news they want to try it out.  I had a buddy tell me he read some Yakamas are going to start becoming "Ceded Land Warriors" because the news told them where they can find deer and elk.

More undue tension on an already over-strained situation. 

[dreamunelk]

according to the tribal game dept. representatives that were at the meeting all the natives have to do is open up their game laws and actually read them.  The representatives said it's all spelled out in their rules that the feed stations are safety zones and are off limits to hunting.

That's the problem most of them don't and they don't care to educate themselves about it.  I agree some signs should be posted and I'm not defending those Indians for not reading our regs. but it would be more ammo for L.E. when they catch somebody violating the regs.

Again, the PR didn't help any either.  Just as Yak-NDN stated I'm hearing more and more natives are trying to venture out to new areas and they don't know S#%t about the area but because they seen it on the news they want to try it out.  I had a buddy tell me he read some Yakamas are going to start becoming "Ceded Land Warriors" because the news told them where they can find deer and elk.

More undue tension on an already over-strained situation. 

A gate doesn't mean they can't hunt it, it just means that they will actually have to work for their harvest.   

Not sure most of em would know how to hike in, then actually have to pack out the whole kill, one trip at a time..  like all of us do.... oh wait, that is right, they get special privileges, that we do not get.... dumb ass me....  sorry guys...

You're right most of them probably wouldn't know how to hike in, I for one would support a gate there to solve the issue of easy access.  And unfortunately I'm one of the Indians that does know how to hike in and pack out so it's a plus for me when you eliminate the easy access for the lazy road hunters.

Anyone else see the irony here?  Just take out the tribal reference and we could very well be talking about many state hunters.  I know not really the topic but, Just thought it was interesting that we have some of the same problems!

[colockumelk]

Yes and no. I don't really see a problem with road hunters. They hunt in the fall during a time with heavy pressure so animals avoid the roads so road hunters dont really pose a threat to our game populations. The tribal members we are talking about go up during the winter where animals get fed so the amount of animals near the road is plentiful. Hippies and such are not driving around seeing elk killed from the road during the hunting season. The hippies do love to go see the elk get fed and DO see the elk get killed or results of the kill. Like I said before its a PR nightmare for US all waiting to happen.

[BENCHLEG]

the problem i  see colockumelk, and no disrespect to plateandn. is that when that treaty was signed they did not have the technology they have now. so if you want to hunt those areas hunt them with horses and long bows, maybe a  lever or a pistol of the time. BUT NOT THE TECHNOLOGY OF 2011.     the bottom line is if we don't stick together as sportsman we will all lose the fight.   j

[doyourtime89]

I totally agree with the technology thing.  I have been saying that for years as far as the indians gill netting all the rivers around here.  When they did it because they needed to, they didn't have gill nets set from one side of the river to the other, they weren't doing it in big boats with outboard motors.  If they want to take wildlife they should have to do it like they used to. 

[firefighter4607]

I totally agree with the technology thing.  I have been saying that for years as far as the indians gill netting all the rivers around here.  When they did it because they needed to, they didn't have gill nets set from one side of the river to the other, they weren't doing it in big boats with outboard motors.  If they want to take wildlife they should have to do it like they used to.

  I will not say anymore 

[FC]

I totally agree with the technology thing.  I have been saying that for years as far as the indians gill netting all the rivers around here.  When they did it because they needed to, they didn't have gill nets set from one side of the river to the other, they weren't doing it in big boats with outboard motors.  If they want to take wildlife they should have to do it like they used to.

Agreed.

[Nilehunter]

Thanks for all the info. I was unable to make the meeting.  Its all very frustrating   
Was anything discussed about what if anything, these tribes contribute to conservation and or wildlife management?  That is another side to this discussion.  Are we paying all the bills?

[Yak-NDN]

I would love to have all the roads closed I love going on horses I ride allot of country from the blues to the alpines.