tribal hunting

[Knocker of rocks]

don't know much about when the law got passed for them to hunt the way they do

The following links may help.  Interpretation of the Boldt decision have impacted fishing of both native and hatchery fish, forest practices, water quality and hunting, at the least 

http://www.nwhistorycourse.org/ttcourse/Year3/unit2/week7/files/treaty_rights.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Hugo_Boldt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Washington

[igotbigbulls]

i see the comments on here about the abuse of hunting rights and so called wrongful killing of animals and not many are saying much in the defense of the accused. sorry if i seem to have vented in your direction. apologies. i find it funny how ones on here say how we all need to be governed the same and that natives rights need to be reevaluated. we hunt because weve always hunted, fished because weve always fished and gathered because weve always gathered. regardless of where we are at in society today we will continue to do so and it will not be changed. we are hunters and not "sportsman" like many describe themselves on this forum.

Diffrent rules of governing is my point.

If we all had to follow the same rules, and no one had free rides, i think we could live with eachother. We all would be EQUAL, like our Constitution states it should be!
I dont see indian Jo with his tear anymore, they are getting high off the hog,,,literaly!

btw. show me all the well off native out there. and all the free rides we seem to be getting.
i ll be back. gotta go help my cousin skin out his 7X7

[igotbigbulls]

all my hunting rights are in the treaty of 1855. thats what tells me where i can hunt. that area is HUGE!

[gonehuntin68]

the treaty needs to go

[seth30]

 

[longknife]

Well, the tulalip tribes are doing GREAT! casino is booming! along with all the tax money you get off all of us buying anything on a rez. You get funds from the goverment, that we pay for, You know the treaties are off compaired to us "sportsmen". Do you realize the younger generation like myself have fished, because i have fished my life, hunted, because i have hunted my life, and this will never change either, its what we do. You are no diffrent, just diffrent laws, that should be inherited into everyones laws. We owe everything to our heratige as well, why are you so diffrent,NOW?
Why should we keep treaties for waste of resourses, when we are the ones said to make sure it is to be maintained? (mostly salmon netting on rivers for just row that i have wittnessed), why would you risk things like that if its so precious to your heritage? Again, im not pointing you out on most of this, you seem like a native with some pride in yourself. Why would natives push til its gone?? to us its a spit in the face, so why not spit back.

[Knocker of rocks]

the treaty needs to go

I would think that both sides would have to agree to terminate the treaty, unlike a treaty between truly sovereign nations as recognized by the UN.  The chance of say the Yakima's agreeing to end any treaty obligations of the US is unlikely in the extreme

[Little Red Wagon]

A treaty is a contract between us and the govermnet. you guys break the treaty you break the contract. that means you give us or 24 million acres back and get of our land. .. so think twice.

[igotbigbulls]

yeah lots of my family is muckelshoot and tulalip. you hunt by your rules and we hunt by ours. just because the laws dont work out in your favor your all for changing things to make it fair. thats whats wrong this generation. the generation that was brought up playing sports where everyone is a winner and the parents cater to the kids so they dont get left out.  you know....dont keep score so no ones feelings get hurt. thats the kind of mind set thats on this forum. i mean you guys complain about how your game department wrongs you. so if you remember right the reason you have seasons is because you couldnt manage your game in the first place. bunch of killers without a purpose except for monatary reasons. if you didnt have regs all the game would be gone...except on the closed parts of the rez.

ps  gonehuntin68
get an original name. there were 67 in front of you with the same idea. but you still went with it. the treaty will never be abolished! keep cryin when i drive by you on the road with that truck load of elk. i got family to feed

[Little Red Wagon]

and  i will be right behind home with mine! rember.. little red wagon with the bull in the bacK. oh ya longknife... ,, you have no clue what kind a can of worms your trying to open. so  some more.

[igotbigbulls]

 

[PlateauNDN]

the treaty needs to go

I would think that both sides would have to agree to terminate the treaty, unlike a treaty between truly sovereign nations as recognized by the UN.  The chance of say the Yakima's agreeing to end any treaty obligations of the US is unlikely in the extreme

Bigbulls I commend you for taking the step to express your opinions with civility.  Over the last year I have debated this issue and regardless of what was presented there was always issues regarding Treaty issues, Sovereignty issues and abuse of rights by tribal members. 

Its tribal members like yourself and others that live by our traditions that were taught to us by our elders that get the black eye for those that abuse and tarnish our tribes name because they don't take responsibility for their actions nor do they care sometimes.

Those are the ones I have an issue with not the law abiding citizen.

Knocker, As far as treaty disolution, that will never happen and as far as Tribes that were forcibly made to sign Treaties are REAL Sovereign Nations.  And wake up from your dream saying if treaties and tribes were terminated there wouldn't be any problems.  Correct, I'm YAKAMA and as long as those of us that care about our people and the future of our people would never let that happen.

Longknife, Tulalips are only a couple thousand members and that's why they get so much.  If they were over 10 thousand like us Yakamas then they wouldn't get as much.  Tribes don't collect STATE TAX it goes to the STATE, that's why its called STATE TAX.  Not all tribal casinos are booming like tulalips or muckleshoots.

If you have any other questions ask away.

[longknife]

A treaty is a contract between us and the govermnet. you guys break the treaty you break the contract. that means you give us or 24 million acres back and get of our land. .. so think twice.

For one, learn how to spell OFF! second, You couldnt get all of us OFF our land! History will repeat itself, the goverment will dispose of you, (again) before that ever happens!
Why cant you be a man and say you can pay your own bills, earn your own money, like the rest of the population?

[igotbigbulls]

thank your a little clueless. i know red wagon and he works his ass off. longer hours than you ever work. jealousy seems to be getting the best of you. cant change your skin color no matter how much you want to.

[Knocker of rocks]

Knocker, As far as treaty dissolution, that will never happen and as far as Tribes that were forcibly made to sign Treaties are REAL Sovereign Nations.  And wake up from your dream saying if treaties and tribes were terminated there wouldn't be any problems.  Correct, I'm YAKAMA and as long as those of us that care about our people and the future of our people would never let that happen.

I hope you believe me when I say that I only entered into this discussion to help gonehunti'68 understand the history and ramifications of the Boldt decision.  Simply stated, he seemed to have no clue about Boldt, and I was only trying to help him, although given his strident and extreme post, I don't know if I could be of much help.

Secondly, I would like to apologize for misspelling your Tribal Nations name.  I will spell it Yakama from now on. 

I do understand that the Yakamas would never agree to rescind Boldt.  They would be foolish to, and the problems would not cease.

I struggled with just how to refer to the Yakamas in regard to Nationhood and treaties.  What I was trying to say, is that the United States Congress has the power to abrogate treaties with nations such as (say) Venezuela or Sri Lanka.  But due to the special nature of the tribal Nations in the Untied States, Congress does not have the authority to abrogate or otherwise end treaty obligations without the courts becoming inextricably involved.