Big Horn sight question

[olywa]

Thanks to all for the great information on this forum. I'm new to BP and just bought one of the new Knight Big Horn rifles from Wholesale Sports. I also ordered one of the old stock Williams FP sights in the Knight packaging from Numrich Arms ($36 versus $64 for a new one on Midway).

My question, has anyone put a Williams FP on their Big Horn, and did it work well with the stock front sight?

[Morse_FJ40]

I did and love it!

[huntitup]

 I put one on a few weeks ago bought my sight at the same place actually ordered two one for a buddy got the sights one was a sample had been opened one set screw was missiing and the peep was all rusty sent it back got a diff one the peep on it was rusty tired of the runaround of sending back  cleaned up ok with toothbrush and gun oil as for shooting first peep i have ever looked through put it on a stainless night bighorn carbon stock  and absolutely love it when you shoulder the gun your eye self centers the front sight in the peep every time        my  

[Sabotloader]

Thanks to all for the great information on this forum. I'm new to BP and just bought one of the new Knight Big Horn rifles from Wholesale Sports. I also ordered one of the old stock Williams FP sights in the Knight packaging from Numrich Arms ($36 versus $64 for a new one on Midway).

My question, has anyone put a Williams FP on their Big Horn, and did it work well with the stock front sight?

I certainly like them... just order one for 'shorthair15'

check this

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,72657.msg906658.html#msg906658

[olywa]

Got the sight in the mail on Friday. Per the instructions I mounted it in the front two of the three mount holes on the rear of the receiver. However, the vertical arm of the sight contacts the stock when mounted that way,  so I moved it back to the two rearmost mount holes. That helped a bit, but I think I'm going to have to grind the stock just a bit with my Dremel in order to completely eliminate any contact.

[huntitup]

there was a little contact with the stock but once i got my elevation adjusted it did not touch the stock anymore

[huntitup]

And i also put it in the last two holes

[olywa]

huntitup - That's good to hear. Think I'll adjust it up a bit and get it on paper before I take anything off the stock. Did you leave the stock fiber-optic front sight on?

[huntitup]

I did leave the stock sight on it is nice and brite i usually bow hunt so the peep and fiber optic are pretty familiar to me but 100 yards on a sunny day the glow from the sight you will pretty much be covering your target completely really even on a overcast day at that yardage the front pin is pretty big diameter and still covers target

[mikep12345]

I have the Williams FP on my big horn and i don't have any problems with it touching the stock and it is mounted in the very back too. I love it. I just went out shooting today and put my first three shots within two inches of each other and right on the bull. I would like to get a smaller front fiber optic as well.

[olywa]

All sounds pretty positive, I appreciate the responses. I have the vertical slide set at the exact mid-point and there is no contact. However, I will have to do a little stock grinding if it needs to go much lower.

[HardCorpsHuntr]

there was a little contact with the stock but once i got my elevation adjusted it did not touch the stock anymore

 

[huntitup]

olywa let me know what you find  thanks

[plainshot]

I could use a little help with mounting the peep sight to my Knight Bighorn.  I got the new old stock Williams FP peep from Numrich  but when I try to mount it the thumb safety on the left side of the receiver is in the way?  I does not matter which of the tree holes behind the breech I try to use.  Any suggestions?  (The Knight package says mfg#900170)

Thanks
John

[Sabotloader]

I could use a little help with mounting the peep sight to my Knight Bighorn.  I got the new old stock Williams FP peep from Numrich  but when I try to mount it the thumb safety on the left side of the receiver is in the way?  I does not matter which of the tree holes behind the breech I try to use.  Any suggestions?  (The Knight package says mfg#900170)

Thanks
John

This is the way mine mounts on the receiver... It really does not even come close to the thumb safety...



You can see in the bottom Left hand picture the sight mounted and clearing the thumb safety..

[plainshot]

Thanks for the info Sabotloader.  From what I have read there has been some minor problems mounting the peep but nothing like this.  The thumb safety is on the left side of the receiver on my BH?  Was the Bighorn built with different safety configurations?  In your picture the safety looks to be on the right side? The fixed portion of the peep mount covers/interferes with the thumb safety on my BH.  I checked the Williams site and they show two blued peep models for Knights but only one for the BH. Numrich sent me their #881130 which says BH compatible and came in a dated Knight bubble pack with "Williams" engraved on the side of peep the mount.  I can't see anyway of modifying it to fit.  Am I missing something?   

Oh, I did order the front ramp, blade and hood from Williams directly (Steve) plus a twilight aperture for the peep, $108 including shipping.

[Sabotloader]

Thanks for the info Sabotloader.  From what I have read there has been some minor problems mounting the peep but nothing like this.  The thumb safety is on the left side of the receiver on my BH?  Was the Bighorn built with different safety configurations? 

Holy cow! I have never seen the thumb safety on the left side!!! - BUT the Big Horn was built for so that either a left hand shooter or a righty could shoot it.  MAYBE it is possible to switch the safety on the trigger.  I will get my Big Horn out of the safe and take a look, get some pictures and get back at you.

In your picture the safety looks to be on the right side? The fixed portion of the peep mount covers/interferes with the thumb safety on my BH.  I checked the Williams site and they show two blued peep models for Knights but only one for the BH. Numrich sent me their #881130 which says BH compatible and came in a dated Knight bubble pack with "Williams" engraved on the side of peep the mount.  I can't see anyway of modifying it to fit.  Am I missing something?

Correct there are tow models... One of them is for the MK-85 which is a flat top reciever and the other is for a round top LK thru BH.

First make sure I know - you are a right hand shooter correct! And another assmption this is not one of the NEW Big Horns?   

Oh, I did order the front ramp, blade and hood from Williams directly (Steve) plus a twilight aperture for the peep, $108 including shipping.

To be honest that seems expensive but I would also tell you Steve is great to work with so I would have to go to may catalog and look up prices...

Well Shoot! I just went back and picked out the Big Horn - I did not even think about it til I looked but that also means the stock cut out for the safety lever is on the left side and you probably do not have a cut out on the right side - yes - no???  My guess is someone modified/converted the rifle you have.
 

[plainshot]

Here is a picture of the Bighorn receiver.  The stock looks to be unaltered to me?  The entire thing looks factory.
 
I don't know when Knight changed to their own version of the rear barrel sight but mine says Knight not Williams on the mounting base.  It looks like a Williams. 

I could not tell if it is a "new" or old Bighorn.  Not that familiar with Knight rifles.  I recently bought it used on Gun Brokers.

Yes I am left handed and I don't want to hear "that explains it". 

[Sabotloader]

Well, I have never seen that offered as an option... but you know what I think I am going to try to find out more about it...

[Sabotloader]

plainshot

Just got an answer to my email to Knight...

The left hand option was available for several years starting in 2004 or 2005 so there you go...

Now to deal with the original question... what to do about a peep sight for you rifle.  I would believe you could go with the Williams ramp peep WGRS-Knight Rolling block.

The hole spacing the the reciever of the Big Horn is .502"

Best to call Steve @ Williams ext #226 and talk to him to see if it would fit.

[plainshot]

"My O My!" a great man said.  I guess I am lucky to have a left handed model being left handed but.  The Williams FP will have to go I guess.  I never would have figured it out.  Thanks inspector gadget (Sabotloader).  So, coyotewallace had a peep mount to a rear scope base on an Extreme on another posting.  How did the setup work and would it clear the safety?  What kind of base and what kind of peep?  The WRGS is an option too but I like the relief distance shorter.

[BigGoonTuna]

just ordered the rear receiver sight from numrich...hope it fits!  i'm not much of one for open sights, my eyes just suck i guess.  always liked aperture sights better.

i'm a little curious, will the front hood fit on the factory bighorn ramp?  i know the factory sights on my gun are made by williams...

[Sabotloader]

just ordered the rear receiver sight from numrich...hope it fits!  i'm not much of one for open sights, my eyes just suck i guess.  always liked aperture sights better.

i'm a little curious, will the front hood fit on the factory bighorn ramp?  i know the factory sights on my gun are made by williams...

If the factory sight has the hood grooves of the ramp then the hood should fit.

[Sabotloader]

"My O My!" a great man said.  I guess I am lucky to have a left handed model being left handed but.  The Williams FP will have to go I guess.  I never would have figured it out.  Thanks inspector gadget (Sabotloader).  So, coyotewallace had a peep mount to a rear scope base on an Extreme on another posting.  How did the setup work and would it clear the safety?  What kind of base and what kind of peep?  The WRGS is an option too but I like the relief distance shorter.

If it mounted on a Extreme it will mount on your Big Horn... His post is in this thread and it sure looks like it would work just fine...

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=91739.0




You will have to get the information from him about what bases and which peep attachment.

[BigGoonTuna]

just took a look at my front site - nope, no attachment point for the hood.

a couple questions:  did you have an issue with the factory front bead with the "FP" type receiver sight?   what height bead did you buy to replace it on your rifle?

[Sabotloader]

just took a look at my front site - nope, no attachment point for the hood.

a couple questions:  did you have an issue with the factory front bead with the "FP" type receiver sight?

I have a FP on my 52 cal Big Horn and I have not changed the factory front sight, it works just fine.

  what height bead did you buy to replace it on your rifle?

On the Big Horn I did not change the sight, yet - I may in the future.  On my MK-85 I did change the front sight to a lower bead.  The reason I did that was when I installed the firesight hood the blade was very close to the top of the hood.  I wanted the blade to be closer to the center of the hood offering more of an apeture type sight which looks more like looking through a scope.  To get that done I had to order a lower rifle bead to make it work as I wanted.

[plainshot]

Sabotloader - I am the track for the rear peep shown on coyotewallaces rifle.  Thanks.  I did not get a response from coyotewallace but after a quick search on line I found the mount to be a Talley peep ($69) mounted to the rear scope base ($12). 

I have an email to Talley asking for more information especially how are elevation adjustments made.  Talley does not list a Bighorn model but does the Disc.  I told Talley that the Disc and Bighorn share the same rear scope base mount dimensions.  Talley does say they custom fit each application.  I told them I have a Williams #56436 .375 Narrow Bead front sight.  I also asked if Williams apertures fit their peep as I have a Twilight aperture that I really like. 

I haven't given Williams a call yet but the WGRS is still a possibility.  The link below shows the Talley peep the best.

www.talleyscoperings.com/gallery.html

John

[Sabotloader]

Sabotloader - I am the track for the rear peep shown on coyotewallaces rifle.  Thanks.  I did not get a response from coyotewallace but after a quick search on line I found the mount to be a Talley peep ($69) mounted to the rear scope base ($12). 

I have an email to Talley asking for more information especially how are elevation adjustments made.  Talley does not list a Bighorn model but does the Disc.  I told Talley that the Disc and Bighorn share the same rear scope base mount dimensions.  Talley does say they custom fit each application.  I told them I have a Williams #56436 .375 Narrow Bead front sight.  I also asked if Williams apertures fit their peep as I have a Twilight aperture that I really like. 

I haven't given Williams a call yet but the WGRS is still a possibility.  The link below shows the Talley peep the best.

www.talleyscoperings.com/gallery.html

John

I found this information on the talley peep...

I've got a couple of the Talley sets with the bases for a Marlin 1895. The rear base has the rear lug ground down flat and after the scope is removed the peep sight just fits on the rear base just as the ring did. Don't think it's particularly matched to the rear base, but rather just having to have the rear base modified. I'd much rather have Talley's setup than Brockmans where the peep is constantly vibrating against the scope... If I remember right the sight doesn't have any windage adjustment (that having to be set at the front sight blade) and not a whole lot of adjustment for elevation. While there great on a lever gun, I'm not sure you get the results you'd want on a bolt rifle. I was told at one time Talley also made a patch box type setup to inlet into the buttstock to carry the peep sight in, I'd sure like to get a couple of them. In your case though I'd still put my bet on a Weaver/Pacitnney style base with a peep sight from NECG.

Might look at these... a Weaver base for the Big Horn would be easy to come by...

http://www.newenglandcustomgun.com/index.html?Peep%20sight.htm%7Emaindeal

Our Peep Sight for Weaver Style Bases is designed to work on virtually every Weaver style base made. Adjustable for windage and elevation, it is supplied with two aperture discs (.93" & .125"), as well as two elevation slides, one for use with a flat style base and another for use with deep channel bases.
 
Due to the many companies that make this style of base and the many variations in heights available, we will be unable to tell you whether our peep sight will work with your existing front sight height. We suggest you shoot the gun with our peep sight to see if a correction is needed, and if so, contacting your local gunsmith or Brownell's at (800)741-0015 for further assistance.

[HoofsandWings]

Since there is some discussion of peeps here, don't forget to experiment with the peep hole diameter. A smaller hole allows for quicker centering of the front sight through the peep hole.

[plainshot]

Good information Sabotloader. Much appreciated.  It makes me lean more towards the NECGs peep.  Both the Talley and the NECGs state their primary use is a backup for a scope. Not much information on how well either holds up.  Looks like the NECGs peep may be in my future.  I am more comfortable with the adjustments on the NECGs with the Weaver mounts albeit a pricey option.  I like that that the NECGs comes with two aperture sizes too.  Anybody got a lead on a discount price for the NECGs peep?.  I just happen to have a extra scope setup with Weaver rings.  It will be a crap shoot trying to figure out the bead-peep combination if what I have doesn't work. But with scope bases it will be easy to add the scope at will.  I can at least plink a little and maybe go for modern firearm seasons as well.

On another note:  I had a great experience today.  Called MMP for some HPH24 black sabots.  What a wonderfull, personable lady to deal with.  She has a lot of information on bullet/sabot combos.  She gave me the nod on the .452 300 gr Speer GDot Curls.  She said Knight/GM barrels are generally a tight fit.   

 

[plainshot]

I got response from NECGs that their peep is on back order for up to 12 weeks.  I can't wait that long to blast away with my Bighorn.  So I called Steve with Williams and ordered up a WGRS receiver mount peep (part #51096)with a twilight aperture (part #1437) yesterday. 

I'm pretty well up to my first field test of the rifle;  #11 German caps, track of the wolf bronze nipples, 100 grains t7-3f, 300 grain Speer Gdots, HPH24 sabots.  Met a knowledgeable muzzy salesmen at Adventure Sports in Lynnwood who has suggested some combos for some test rounds too.  One thing at a time. 

I wish that dam ground hog hadn't predicted 6 more weeks of winter!  The snow should melt soon I hope and off to the pit I go.  In the meantime I am thankful this site is up and running again.  I missed it for a couple of days this week.  I'll be sending a donation to show my support.

[Wacenturion]

Got the powder right, grains right, caps right (although I prefer the German musket caps).....you might want to try some Hornady SST's.  Quite a few of us shoot this recipe and it works extremely well.

[plainshot]

Thank you Wacenturion.  What wt. of .452 SST bullet and preferred sabot do you feed a Bighorn?  I have been practicing stuffing the slug at the work bench with my current recipe and the slug/sabot is what I would call a firm fit with moderate rod resistance.  With HPH Black sabots I am at .505 to .506 inch os diameter and it seems about right.  Assuming you sighted in at 100 yards and are in the bull, how high do you think you are at 50 yards? Any idea with SSTs?  Trying to get an idea of drop.