Did these recovered Nosler Partitions perform correctly?

[Encore 280]

Here's a recovered Barne's TSX 150gr from my cow that I got this year. I can't figure it out though. Entry was in the right shoulder and it really messed up a lot of meat. I found the bullet just under the hide on the other side and there was hardly any damage at all. Another thing that has me puzzled, my huntin buddy ranged it afterwards and seem's like he said 114yds.. I woulda thought that a 7mm mag woulda went through, well it almost did. If it woulda went through it woulda just dropped on the ground right there. I weighed it afterwards, 150gr goin in and 150 afterwards. This is the first elk I've got with these, all the others have been deer and went through but then they were all head or neck shots. The deer have dropped in their tracks and the cow went about 100ft or less. The damaged meat is why I wanted to go for a head shot but I chickened out as it was the 5th morning and I was getting a little disappointed and the damn gun wouldn't hold still so I went for the sure thing. If and when it happens again maybe I'll be a little more confident. Anyway, there's meat in the freezer.

[Guy]

Not unusual to find an expanded bullet lodged under the off-side hide. Elk & deer hide is pretty elastic, and will stretch a lot. I think that's what often captures an expanding bullet that's already penetrated deep and has shed a lot of velocity and energy.

Guy

[C-Money]

I did not find my 270win, 140gr Accubond that killed my cow elk. It went through the ribs tight behind the shoulder. Massive dammage and the cow dropped in her tracks. I am glad that I began this thread, I have learnd a lot, and have reversed my feelings I originaly had about the bullets recoverd from my Muley buck. Looking forward to seeing the effects of this bullet in the future! I am a Nosler fan, since 1977.

[Gutpile]

I didnt read all of the responses but partitions almost always lose the front soft lead portion. They are designed to violently expand and the rear portion is locked in to retain weight and keep pushing through. What i dont understand is why the one bullet lost the petals. Ive never seen that but aside from that they did what they all do. I love partitions but I dont use them in all of my rifles I use whatever shoots the best, be it partition, accubond, , swift, hornady, barnes or whatever. the one thing I dont like about partition that Ive noticed is excessive bloodshot which I havent noticed with other bullets. Just my  but in my opinion they did what they were designed to do.

[Biggerhammer]

Here are a couple recovered Accubonds.

Recovered from a Eastern WA Mulie, just under the hide on the off side. 150gr Accubond/ .300 WSM 71gr of H4350. A little over 370 yards.






Recovered from a Eastern WA Mulie, down hill head on shot. Hit the center of the chest and it was recovered just under the hide on the under side just ahead of the pelvic bone. 260gr Accubond, .375 Ultra Magnum, 102gr IMR 7828,  560 yards.

[Gutpile]

Gotta love the accubond. I recovered one last year that passed through a deer at 250ish and stuck in a cut bank on the off side. It mushroomed perfectly as well. wish I could remember how much weight it retained. Ive used them on deer bear and lopes. I love the loud WHOP!

[sirmissalot]

id say those failed I've had good luck with accubonds. an grand slams an trophy. bonded bear claws also sirrocos in my 7mm an the barnes x are terrible

Four years ago I tryed Barns TSX, my groups closed up and every animal droped like a tone of bricks; all were through and throughs all .30's 06 & 308.
 

I've had the same experience. Not sure how anyone could say barnes x are terrible... unless they just don't shoot well out of their rifle which happens. I have never shot an animal that didn't die with a well placed rifle shot, no matter what bullet. I recovered 3 barnes bullets last year 2 from a bull elk, both were right under the hide on the opposite shoulder, and one from a deer that was quartering strong towards me went in at the brisket and was found against the hide behind the opposite shoulder (this was a long shot otherwise it would have easily passed through), all 3 bullets were perfect mushrooms besides one from the elk that had a broken pedal. I just like to pick a manufacturer and stick with it, I've had great customer support through barnes and I believe in their products, plus they usually cause a lot of devastation which I like 

[Rob]

Looks like they failed to me.  Killed the deer (this time) so that is good.  One always worries about what could have happened with a failed bullet though.

I love the Barnes bullets.  near 100% weight retention and seemingly perfect expansion on every bullet I have recovered-even those recovered embedded in the spine.

As much as I love Barnes, I am moving away from them and going with the Cutting edge bullets.  They are amazing.  Fantastic straight line penetration.  In the smaller bore rifles like .308 and .338 they make a cool bullet called the ESP Raptor.  It is a bullet system.  The Bullet is reversible.  you can load it one way, and it is a solid.  Reverse the bullet and it is hollow point.  if you want to improve the BC for a longer range shot, snap in the ballistic tip.

These are solid brass bullets, and ironically, they are designed to "fail" by coming apart. at 2-3 inches of penetration, the hollow point petals shear off.  This frees up the solid core to penetrate in a straight line, while the petals continue out in a star like pattern causing massive trauma.  Folks in the Midwest are taking white tails with 223 WSSM versions of this bullet.  The are falling DRT with complete penetration from a 55 grain bullet and a 1.5 inch wide wound channel.  pretty amazing.

Here are some test results I stole (with permission) from another site.  Shooting into wet newpaper.  (add about 30-50% to the penetration depth for live tissue).

Note that the Barnes bullet is heavier, and faster, but had the same penetration depth as the .223 Remington (800 fps slower and 7 grains lighter)

Also note the star pattern the petals make in the paper.

I have had excellent experiences with these bullets on the range and in the field.

[Curly]

But Rob, the Barnes makes a much prettier picture.

[Biggerhammer]

CEB has been around for awhile, funny how I just now start to see people mentioning them. There are only I believe two calibers avaiable in the Raptor series right now, they are still in development. I spoke with the independent that is doing the testing yesterday. To find out when the Raptor .458's. Will be available, all Raptor bullets will be light for caliber, they may do some heavies in the big bore bullets but there is no need. CEB's BBW#13 Non Conventional hollow points and solids cover everything from Lion on up. The Raptor series is based around game from Lion on down yotes, chucks and such and everything inbetween. Deer, elk, bear, antalope Etc.


I've been shooting the CEB BBW#13 Non Conventional hollow points with the high BC polymer tips in my big bores. They are the only bullet out there that has a higher BC and a bullet weight choice in .458 diameter, from 285gr-500gr. I can really get some speed on a 285gr polymer tipped hollow point for deer and elk and distance or I can shoot down alien air ships with the 500's

In my 450 Ultra Magnum I settled on the 370gr BBW#13 Non Con tipped. It is not uncommon to print 1" groups with them at 200 yards. I currently have some custom work being done to my 450 Ultra. At Kampfeld Custom. As soon as I get it back I have a bunch of the .458 tipped 285gr BBW13 non cons to test, I will use that load untill the 300gr Raptors finish being tested.

Here are some pics of the 370gr CEB BBW13 non cons during testing and zeroing of my wildcat 450 Ultra Magnum this last fall.







Left: 450 Ultra Mag w/ CEB BBW13 Tipped Non Con.  RIGHT: 500 Jeffery for comparison.

[Rob]

The CEB's are GREAT.

They have 4 medium bore bullets in the ESP Raptor for sale right now.  I have 3 of these in my cabinet ready for loading.  They have .243, .308, .338, .375.

I talked to Dan from CEB back in September and talked him into sending me some of the .224 BBW#13's.  My 22.250 hated them due to the slow 1:14 twist and the 55 grain bullet.  However my 223 WSSM loved them.

I plan to use the .458 BBW#13 Solid/NonCon combo for Buff in Zim this coming October.  Can't wait to see how they perform!

[Rob]

But Rob, the Barnes makes a much prettier picture.

Depends on what you are taking a photo of I guess!

[Rob]

Bighammer:

We need to get together sometime and shoot some big bores!

[Biggerhammer]

Bighammer:

We need to get together sometime and shoot some big bores!

Sounds like a good time, I'm going to build me a 9.3 B&M before this next fall if I can fit it in. I have 3 other reamers that need to be spun first. What twist did they suggest for the .224's?

[Curly]

But Rob, the Barnes makes a much prettier picture.

Depends on what you are taking a photo of I guess!

 

So that hole must be from the CED bullet out of your .223?  Pretty cool.