nile paper says muck's shot 140+/- deer last weekend?

[FC]

go look at the 2011 post your bucks here thread and count the number of different bucks killed in one week on there. thats just people on this little ole web site who want to post em. oh yeah you call that game management.

Oh look it's diversion time! Really? Are you a liberal or something?

[sirmissalot]

Rofl...

A Summary

Does anyone know anything about a news article I heard about...

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BLAH!!!

We want proof! Where is the proof!?!?

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BLAHH FRIKKING BLAH!!!

Proof.

Proof?

Proof!

PROOF!

We don't like this proof.

That's not proof!

We can't handle the proof!

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Random statement by some new guy.

Now THIS is proof!

Some of you guys are so full of it...Full props to Plateau for posting that article.

Funny thats what I was thinking. Someone finally provides the newspaper article and they say yeah but you can never believe those guys... next someone will have a picture of a truckload of deer and elk with natives driving and someone will say its photoschopped...

I don't think for a second its natives causing the problems. Poaching is poaching, I hate poachers more than anything because they cheat and steal from a resource I enjoy. The difference I see is non natives don't try and stick up for non native poachers. Natives seem to stick up for native poachers and always fall back on their "rights". This is my opinion and obviously not factual information, just something I have gathered from reading through all these rants on this website. When someone says "prove it" or "innocent until proven guilty" that to me seems to suggest some amount of guilt.

[igotbigbulls]

poaching and unethical hunting are two different things. if we have the rights its not poaching. it maybe unethical the way some choose to hunt. i dont condone poaching at all and never will. poaching is hunting illegaly. right?

[PlateauNDN]

sirmissalot, I'll credit your comment as to being still fairly new and not directed at me in regards to your comment

"Natives seem to stick up for native poachers and always fall back on their "rights". This is my opinion and obviously not factual information, just something I have gathered from reading through all these rants on this website. When someone says "prove it" or "innocent until proven guilty" that to me seems to suggest some amount of guilt."

I don't stick up for anybody that is abusing their rights, poaching or anything I believe to be unethical.  I do however stick up for those that are being targeted as a whole and not individuals.  If you have problems with certain individuals/groups such as the ones depicted then have it with them and not the entirety because I for one do not condone their actions.

[sirmissalot]

Plat that comment was in no way directed towards you. I figured it would go without saying there are several tribal members on this site who have a lot of respect from all of us on the board, including myself.

[igotbigbulls]

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you have no valid points at all. and when asked questions i have answered. i make a comment on game management, post the hunting regs for the muckleshoot to show that the mucks cant shoot up everything like is being claimed, post a real article on a poacher who was recently caught and prosecuted but no one comments when there is actual proof of poaching or how disgusting it was what that family did. no, just keep pointing at the tribal members for the so called decline in big game. what good is gonna come from the arguments. none.

[trophyhunt]

Hello all,  long time lurker don't post much.  This is a crazy topic mostly because I am Muckleshoot.  Just to calrify a couple things, we don't get 3 deer and 3 elk a year, a legal hunter gets 2 deer and one elk per house hold.  We might shoot more than that but for single moms and elders of the tribe.  The ram i do know was shot was done legal with a tag.

Did you guys write the tag out on a piece of paper with crayon? If you are muck than you  know the kind of bs your tribe members pull out there. How bout the big bull you guys took on private property a few years back in enumclaw during the middle of the night? The one where Bruce Richards was face to face with your chief. Or how about the time up on the 72 road in the dead of winter when you guys shot several elk only picking up 3 and the rest ran off to die approx 4 others, there was a blood trail to each dead wasted elk.  And please answer this for me.... Did your ancestors really travel 50+ miles on horse back to hunt the naches area just to take a few deer back to the tent? Is that area really your old hunting grounds? I would think the enumclaw area would have held plenty of deer, with no need to travel so far. If I talked with Bruce and wrote down all his stories (being a muck I'm sure you know of Bruce) I would be on this computer for days.  Close to 40 years on the job, you want fact's, Bruce would make you guys look very stupid and ignorant.  One goal in my life is to get him to write a book about the mucks and all the travesties he has seen with the tribe.  The only reason I don't want him to retire is you guys will go kill 10 bulls in celebration.

[runamuk]

Hello all,  long time lurker don't post much.  This is a crazy topic mostly because I am Muckleshoot.  Just to calrify a couple things, we don't get 3 deer and 3 elk a year, a legal hunter gets 2 deer and one elk per house hold.  We might shoot more than that but for single moms and elders of the tribe.  The ram i do know was shot was done legal with a tag.

Did you guys write the tag out on a piece of paper with crayon? If you are muck than you  know the kind of bs your tribe members pull out there. How bout the big bull you guys took on private property a few years back in enumclaw during the middle of the night? The one where Bruce Richards was face to face with your chief. Or how about the time up on the 72 road in the dead of winter when you guys shot several elk only picking up 3 and the rest ran off to die approx 4 others, there was a blood trail to each dead wasted elk.  And please answer this for me.... Did your ancestors really travel 50+ miles on horse back to hunt the naches area just to take a few deer back to the tent? Is that area really your old hunting grounds? I would think the enumclaw area would have held plenty of deer, with no need to travel so far. If I talked with Bruce and wrote down all his stories (being a muck I'm sure you know of Bruce) I would be on this computer for days.  Close to 40 years on the job, you want fact's, Bruce would make you guys look very stupid and ignorant.  One goal in my life is to get him to write a book about the mucks and all the travesties he has seen with the tribe.  The only reason I don't want him to retire is you guys will go kill 10 bulls in celebration.

one thing here to note.....historically before the white man there wouldn't be any horses    I like how horses get thrown in but horses were brought to the americas by outsiders.....so they dont really add any historical merit if we are trying to be historical and think in a before the white man came scenario 

[trophyhunt]

Thanks, I'm not a historian on the complete history of the tribes. More just what's been going on in my life time. Thats interesting though, so they walked that far to hunt?

[Ddog73]

Id buy that book from Bruce. I don't need to waste any energy answering those from you. You already have yofur mind made up about Muckleshoot

[sirmissalot]

Thanks, I'm not a historian on the complete history of the tribes. More just what's been going on in my life time. Thats interesting though, so they walked that far to hunt?

They also didn't have monofilament gill nets to clog rivers and bays with either for spawning salmon. Oops we aren't supposed to talk about that.

[trophyhunt]

Id buy that book from Bruce. I don't need to waste any energy answering those from you. You already have yofur mind made up about Muckleshoot

You guys made up my mind for me. The last thing Bruce will do ever in his life is lie, and you know the truth as well as he does. I know you hear what happens out there, even if your not involved with the hunting.  It has to bring some shame deep down inside you.

[igotbigbulls]

just like all the shame you should feel for your people poaching and wasting resources also. 

[trophyhunt]

And I have seen a pattern of direct questions being ignored when asked to you natives, what's up with that. You pass it on like we are all full of it, and nothing we say isn't credible unless we have it on video. Like I said earlier, you know the truth just like some of us.

[Ddog73]

I thought that was poaching to you.  What shame that some guys abuse the right they have just like some non natives do