well i finally gave up and put in for one of those disabled keys and drew it for elbe, but as crap ass luck would have it i only get to hunt 2 days, there has never been much for elk up in elbe hils but there is a couple here and there so maybe i will get lucky, or i should just sit at home in my nice warm house and crack one of those absolute pigs that have been hangn in my back yard, but damn it there just aint no sport in it, ethics is a bear sometimes.... oh well they are fun to look at, i gotta get some of those trai cams for christmas cause i sure would like to post a few pics of them, there are 2 bulls that are pushn 380 to 400 and alot of smaller ones