S.W. Washington Wolves ??

[nontypical176]

Its funny how much people don't see....even with game cams.  I have a good creek drainage on my property, 2 strategicly placed game cams wich are moved on occasions, deer and elk wander through, and I have shot many coons and such off the property.  I here of the neighbors seein cougars on several occasions, one cat hit by a car, but me and my cams see none.  I have seen dogs chasin deer, cat tracks and other sign, but my trail cams don't get a peak.  Don't have a bobcat on camera but I've shot 2 here...cameras workin 24/7 how the critters slip through is beyond me.  My cams are set up right....they pick up my dogs.deer.elk just fine.

Big Blacktails, Cougars, Wolves, bigfoot, yetties and  such are just hard to see.  Here on the wet side they only step out because they want to, not because they have to.  I've always wondered why we don't have a wolf problem here already. The protected St. Helens herd that falls over dead on its own during winter months......why haven't wolves already established themselves there?  It would be fun to remove the collar from a wolf and strap it to the leg of a red tailed hawk....That would give our state biologists something to ponder while they were trying to figure out a good reason we need wolves in WA.

[mtman]

Im sure somebody does have them on trail cams around here. Everyone that has a trail cam is not on this site.

[Antlershed]

Not to mention...if there are wolves in SW WA, or Western WA even....what would be the ratio of the Coyote to Wolf population? I have had 5-6 trailcams deployed for the past 5 years, and I have only got 3-4 pictures of Coyotes. Just cause they haven't walked in front of a trailcam doesn't mean they aren't here...

[oldcolt]

I would like to thank everyone for their input on this thread........I have been out of the loop for a while with a family emergency, but upon returning, I checked in, and WOW !!!!!!!!!! Alot of great information......Santa did not leave me a trail cam, but I will be trying to get one soon, and plan to deploy it in the area. Happy Hunting to you all !!!! And thanks again ~!!!!!

[pianoman9701]

I find it interesting that Knocker never responded to Frostman's questions. Beware the wolf sanctuary and it's proponents.

[Knocker of rocks]

I find it interesting that Knocker never responded to Frostman's questions. Beware the wolf sanctuary and it's proponents.

Then you are illiterate

[pianoman9701]

At the top of this page, he asked you why the sanctuary is so sacred to you. You didn't respond except to insult me. What is your response, Knocker?

[Knocker of rocks]

I didn't read that post, I immediately responded to your childish challenge to me.  I am not here as some spokesman for Wolf Haven.  I have very real concerns about the wolf.  I just do not believe that it is smart to accuse Wolf Haven (is that even it's name?) of releasing wolves into the wild.  For them to do so would put their federal, state and county operating licenses in jeopardy, largely end any cooperation they have with the Feds or the State, result in large fines for knowingly violating EIS requirements, and probably result in heavy civil  and criminal fines.  I have come to the conclusion that it is likely that irresponsible private individuals could be  releasing "pet" wolves and hybrids.

Your questions regarding Wolf Haven are best answered by them.  I suggest that you take it upon yourself to inquire.

It certainly is not sacred to me, I have never been there, and really don't know where it is. 

Carry on

[pianoman9701]

I didn't read that post, I immediately responded to your childish challenge to me.  I am not here as some spokesman for Wolf Haven.  I have very real concerns about the wolf.  I just do not believe that it is smart to accuse Wolf Haven (is that even it's name?) of releasing wolves into the wild.  For them to do so would put their federal, state and county operating licenses in jeopardy, largely end any cooperation they have with the Feds or the State, result in large fines for knowingly violating EIS requirements, and probably result in heavy civil  and criminal fines.  I have come to the conclusion that it is likely that irresponsible private individuals could be  releasing "pet" wolves and hybrids.

Your questions regarding Wolf Haven are best answered by them.  I suggest that you take it upon yourself to inquire.

It certainly is not sacred to me, I have never been there, and really don't know where it is. 

Carry on

I knew you hadn't read that post. That's why I asked. My question was a fair one and it was neither childish or accusatory. It simply noted the lack of your reply after you had thrice defended Wolf Haven in your replies to others. It's also readily apparent that you're unable to graciously admit when you've made a mistake.

[Knocker of rocks]

I was wrong, I did respond to Frostman.

Merry Christmas Knocker of Rocks. You are very quick to defend the un-named wolf factory.
I have a few questions -
Where do these creatures that the factory produces wind up?
Does the factory just keep them in kennels?
What is your position on the management issue in this, the most human populated elk state?
Do you hunt?

Ask them, ask them, we have a problem that I think the scale of which is still not understood and proactive management is needed, yes

What are you, a cop or something?

[frostman]

Knocker,
I agree with you that the "wolves" that guys are seeing on the westside are hybrids that irresponsible individuals are irresponsibly releasing into the wild. This is probably why the tracks are not as large.

This is a great forum for conservation minded people. I appreciate your input, sincerely. I would hope you agree with most of us conservation minded readers of this forum that are genuinely concerned about the proliferation of the species and the impact on big game in our state. We need to shift the focus to realistic management of the species (the state wants 15 breeding pairs - too f-in high in IMO)) or we will all be hunting squirells.

If you have any friends at the wolf factory, their input would be appreciated by the readers of this forum, without getting into the silly or childish remarks. I do not think we were being childish, just genuinely concerned.
One of my questions was - What do they do with the wolves that they "rehabilitate"?

[Knocker of rocks]

Knocker,
I agree with you that the "wolves" that guys are seeing on the westside are hybrids that irresponsible individuals are irresponsibly releasing into the wild.

And maybe our wolves just have smaller feet ( in all seriousness).  I have been seeing wolves near Hope BC for almost the last 20 years.  It's pretty easy for an animal to get from Hope to the Nooksack.

Knocker,
This is a great forum for conservation minded people. I appreciate your input, sincerely. I would hope you agree with most of us conservation minded readers of this forum that are genuinely concerned about the proliferation of the species and the impact on big game in our state. We need to shift the focus to realistic management of the species (the state wants 15 breeding pairs - too f-in high in IMO)) or we will all be hunting squirells.

Thankyou, and I agree

If you have any friends at the wolf factory, their input would be appreciated by the readers of this forum, without getting into the silly or childish remarks. I do not think we were being childish, just genuinely concerned.
One of my questions was - What do they do with the wolves that they "rehabilitate"?

All the professionals I know work east of the Cascades, for the Feds.

And I do not know what they do with the wolves, seems like a good question, which I'm sure they would be happy to answer.  I hope you understand that my point is that there is nothing good to be served by individuals making non supported accusations.  I just find it impossible to believe that Wolf Haven would act so irresponsibly. 

[seth30]

Knocker,
I agree with you that the "wolves" that guys are seeing on the westside are hybrids that irresponsible individuals are irresponsibly releasing into the wild. This is probably why the tracks are not as large.

WRONG... AS per the WDFW Wildlife manager for region 4 they (WDFW) is aware of the wolves in region 4 and have a trapper trying to collect DNA samples (that was as of this past spring) According to him these wolves have "naturally" relocated here from the north.

  I beleive we have pure and hyrbid here.  There was some looney bin releasing them outside concrete a few years back. Then we have the ones that stray down from canada that are pure bred

[frostman]

Knocker,
I agree with you that the "wolves" that guys are seeing on the westside are hybrids that irresponsible individuals are irresponsibly releasing into the wild. This is probably why the tracks are not as large.

WRONG... AS per the WDFW Wildlife manager for region 4 they (WDFW) is aware of the wolves in region 4 and have a trapper trying to collect DNA samples (that was as of this past spring) According to him these wolves have "naturally" relocated here from the north.

The focus of this discussion is region 5. Region 4 would extend up to the Canadian border, if I am not mistaken. We are talking about SOUTHWEST Wa.

[bearpaw]

We also have wolves in GMU 121 that were released by a wolf lover that used to live here and the whole county knows it. They still hang out close to where the guy lived. There are also wild wolves in the unit.


We are getting reports of wolves clear down to Vancouver, undoubtedly they are in the S. Cascades.