ethical question

[Cap.Silver]

Hey pjb3  what happened to the money you owe me and Frank ?That is NOT ETHICAL in my book either . I'm not gonna let you walk away from that so easy .Sorry for hacking your thread DONAYE 37.

[pjb3]

Hey pjb3  what happened to the money you owe me and Frank ?That is NOT ETHICAL in my book either . I'm not gonna let you walk away from that so easy .Sorry for hacking your thread DONAYE 37.

I offered to take you hunting for free, game over now

[demontang]

To me there is a point where there is a line I wont cross with any game animal. let alone one that isnt seen or over populated like bobcats. You wont find me out killing coyote pups that are dependent on there mother still but once they are out and about its different cause they are at the age they can survive . It is ethics of one person and there is a point it crule which every person has a different view. Ive had to deal with very young pups in a situation that was humanhealthandsafety. I can tell you it wasnt easy but had to be done.

[predatorpro]

[/quote]Did you know when an area is hunted for yote and you start killing them that the females have more pups and the population grows faster? You have to keep at them or the numbers will be higher then before you started.
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i have heard this theory before, but tell me how to coyotes know to have more pups? do they keep count on how many coyotes are in the county? and population numbers have nothing to do with eggs being fertilized last time i checked?

[pianoman9701]

Did you know when an area is hunted for yote and you start killing them that the females have more pups and the population grows faster? You have to keep at them or the numbers will be higher then before you started.
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i have heard this theory before, but tell me how to coyotes know to have more pups? do they keep count on how many coyotes are in the county? and population numbers have nothing to do with eggs being fertilized last time i checked?
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This happens in nature frequently. Deer have more twins and trips when numbers are down or forage is up. Same with elk. A biologist could answer this better than I, but I've heard about this happening with critter populations.

[demontang]

If the food supply is up in an area they animal generally have more offspring basically. less coyotes with the same food supply = more pups and a higher survival rate too.

"The Litter: Litter sizes often range from four to seven pups, depending on food availability and the density of the surrounding coyote population.  Some litters can be bigger; the largest litter we have found was 11 pups taken from one den. 


Coyotes have the ability to adjust their litter sizes based on food abundance and population density.  It is difficult for us to get reliable estimates of litter sizes in urban areas, but our results suggests that litter sizes are larger than average, indicating an abundant food supply.  Pups stay in the den for about six weeks, and then begin traveling short distances with adults.  By the end of summer, pups are spending some time away from parents and attempting to hunt on their own or with siblings."
from a study in ILL
http://urbancoyoteresearch.com/About_Coyotes.htm

[demontang]

Reproduction. Coyotes mate in late February or early March; 60 to 63 days later the female gives birth to three to seven pups in an underground or brushpile den. Litter size and pup survival can vary greatly in relation to the food supply. Most female coyotes do not breed until their second year, unless food is abundant or the coyote population density is low. Coyotes breed only once a year and are monogamous, meaning males and females have only one mate in a single year. The male helps care for the young, which begin to travel with adults at about eight weeks of age.

from a Kentucky study
http://www.ca.uky.edu/agc/pubs/for/for37/for37.htm

[stormin85]

here is another link, although focusing on how coyotes affect QDM it does cover how and why the increase in reproduction happens when the numbers are low, although it focuses more on the Managing deer side and what they do to numbers, and not so much on ethics of shooting young ones or multiples.

sorry as i realise this is a thread jck but very good info none the less.

http://www.qdma.com/what-we-do/articles/certification-program-readings/qdm-and-coyotes/

[DOUBLELUNG]

I would not kill a female with kittens if I was just hunting.  If I was having a problem with the cats (e.g., danger to my pets, killing farm animals), I would kill all three.  Assuming it was a legal situation, season was open, not treed by dog, etc.

[rebal69972]

 

[mtman]

Too many people are ruled by there feelings. We kill for sport and for food. If you dont kill for food you kill for fun (sport). If thats fun for you and the population is healthy go for it.

[Donaye37]

I would pass on any thing that had young with it except a yote

you would take the mom and the pups?  idk they are pest and take all my rabbits haha

[demontang]

If your in a spot that they are killing your pets or live stock then it may be a option but just out and see a bob with kittens no way for me. Coyote pup can hunt after 8weeks

[Donaye37]

just thought id see other peoples points of views, thanks. guess i should have said coon with babies when your running your dogs or something that made sense legally, or a yote with pups.

[Donaye37]

If your in a spot that they are killing your pets or live stock then it may be a option but just out and see a bob with kittens no way for me. Coyote pup can hunt after 8weeks

yeah if your trying to get rid of them i thinks its all good, but if your just harvesting for food or pelts then no.