42" colville tribe buck

[meat_in_the_pot3]

I don't know where you came across the negativity, but I was just stating what I believed the tribal limits were.  Thanks for clearing up the seasons.  They are actually longer than I thought.  Don't remember muleys going through December, but I guess that's changed.  As for T, congrats to him on a great buck.  I was just hoping that his permission was granted to post his pic on a public forum.
 

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 ""This has been one of the more mild starts to winter we have had in the last 3 to 4 years, and that as you should know, since you seem to know a lot about deer management it sounds like, has a very negative impact on the deer herd as a whole.""



You've got me lost here.  I always thought severe early starts pushed the deer down lower and upped the hunter success rates, made winter grazing more difficult, was detrimental to fawn survival, and allowed predators to concentrate on smaller areas to target deer............

Oh ya i am not saying that the early start of winter is not a good thing for hunting by any means at all, i should have been more clear with what i was stating, i was trying to get my point across that we have had a few severe winters in a row, and that is what is hurting the deer numbers, i was just saying we already got a lot of snow up high and its still early, by jan and feb deer herds are going to be hard pressed to find an ample amount of food, on top of being extremely pressured by predators

[meat_in_the_pot3]

I don't think you can credit management for this buck. 

Really?  And do you care to explain how you cannot credit their Big Game Management.  They have a good permit system and from what I know from my in-law they are very stringent on it.  Also from what I've learned from speaking with some Tribal Members from there at various meetings throughout the State they are very much involved in reporting and monitoring of harvested game due to their permit system. 

They take a very proactive role in monitoring it and from what i've listened to, heard and read it sounds like it is working wonders for them.

Sorry Meat, I started to type and then noticed you posted your comments and very well stated indeed.  Again, they have a good established game system and enforce it pretty good from what I'm told. 

All I can say is congrats to the hunter and this is one of the reasons (not the main reason for those of you that know) why I won't post any pics of any harvested animals on here (even though I've only harvest one animal this year and that's fine with me).

Seriously, how is a two bucks per day (or does part of the time) season that goes from June through December providing the "good" management that led to this buck.   I'm crediting this buck to great genetics, and living in a secure spot.

In states other than WA you can kill multiple deer a year, and on top of that in some states you can continue to buy tags until they are sold out, and furthermore there are states where you may have to shoot 4 to 6 doe's to even earn your buck tag. Just because you can shoot two deer per day for the season does not mean that every tribal member is going out and slaughtering 2 deer every single day. You have to have room to store the meat, and 2 to 3 deer per entire season is more than plenty for must hunters. There are laws set in place and enforced just like state regulations that prevent wasting game animals, this keeps people from strictly going out and horn hunting when they do not need the meat. I am not saying that this buck got as big as he did strictly because of management by any means, there obviously has to be the genetics present on top of a good diet with plenty of minerals to grow a buck of this caliber, but to think that good management practices do not account for part of it is just plain ignorance, its not like this is the only big buck on the reservation, and to be quite honest he is not the biggest buck on the reservation by any means at all. you have to accredit at least some of that to good management practices

[PlateauNDN]

As others have stated many times here why should anybody complain if this deer was taken on the Rez?  In previous threads many forum members said they didn't give a @%#% what happens on the Rez and yet IF this buck was harvested on the Rez why worry? 

The Colville Tribes Game Management is very good in my opinion and very detailed.  If there was one like this here then every body would have very little to complain about.  Yes, their regs say 2 deer per day, no possession limit but that is in reference to the South Half (Their Rez) not the North Half.  Is that correct Meat?

I believe it states for the North Half (Ceded Land) any deer, tags are required, max. 2 per day, maximum 3 per year (It's a little more detailed per deer species so I just generalized), it says in big letters, "North Half Season Bag Limit for Deer:  3 deer for the entire season, inclusive of all hunts".

Elk in the North and South Half regardless of sex, tag is required and maximum 1 elk per year.

They also have established bow and rifle seasons for the South and North Half.  I skimmed their regs during the summer from my in-law but now I think I'm going to look into it even more in case there are any other questions about it.

It's a lot more detailed but again, generalizing it and like I stated already from what I've been told from their Tribal Members it's working great for them so again, good game management system.

Oh and I think it's online as well on their website if anybody wants to read it for themselves, colvilletribes.com

[JLS]

It's easier to trash them than acknowledge that what they're doing might be working.

If this buck came from MT, everyone would be falling over praising their deer mgmt.  Yet in MT, you can shoot multiple does per year.  At one point, you could shoot 6 mule deer does per year in some districts.  Right now you can't after several hard winter/spring combinations.

[SpotandStalk]

There is and always has been, monster mulies on the North Half.....some damn nice whitetails and elk as well.  And the Colville mgt of this area has been fair.  And they have kept some areas free of roads as well which has produced some trophy areas.  Simply put, the area has good genes, and because of its remoteness, doesn't get overhunted.

I know personally of a 1/2 dozen 200+ mule deer that have been taken out of there, most of them were 10+ years ago though.

[SpotandStalk]

Supposedly a big whitetail was taken in the same area.

[MtnMuley]

I don't think you can credit management for this buck. 

Really?  And do you care to explain how you cannot credit their Big Game Management.  They have a good permit system and from what I know from my in-law they are very stringent on it.  Also from what I've learned from speaking with some Tribal Members from there at various meetings throughout the State they are very much involved in reporting and monitoring of harvested game due to their permit system. 

They take a very proactive role in monitoring it and from what i've listened to, heard and read it sounds like it is working wonders for them.

Sorry Meat, I started to type and then noticed you posted your comments and very well stated indeed.  Again, they have a good established game system and enforce it pretty good from what I'm told. 

All I can say is congrats to the hunter and this is one of the reasons (not the main reason for those of you that know) why I won't post any pics of any harvested animals on here (even though I've only harvest one animal this year and that's fine with me).

Seriously, how is a two bucks per day (or does part of the time) season that goes from June through December providing the "good" management that led to this buck.   I'm crediting this buck to great genetics, and living in a secure spot.

In states other than WA you can kill multiple deer a year, and on top of that in some states you can continue to buy tags until they are sold out, and furthermore there are states where you may have to shoot 4 to 6 doe's to even earn your buck tag. Just because you can shoot two deer per day for the season does not mean that every tribal member is going out and slaughtering 2 deer every single day. You have to have room to store the meat, and 2 to 3 deer per entire season is more than plenty for must hunters. There are laws set in place and enforced just like state regulations that prevent wasting game animals, this keeps people from strictly going out and horn hunting when they do not need the meat. I am not saying that this buck got as big as he did strictly because of management by any means, there obviously has to be the genetics present on top of a good diet with plenty of minerals to grow a buck of this caliber, but to think that good management practices do not account for part of it is just plain ignorance, its not like this is the only big buck on the reservation, and to be quite honest he is not the biggest buck on the reservation by any means at all. you have to accredit at least some of that to good management practices

You guys have some great genes and awesome country for muleys to get into that "huge" class.  The two most important factors in my opinion.  The tribal forest practices you guys are using are top-notch.  That rez is turning into the nicest forest in the state.  I wish our practices were 1/10 the quality of yours.  This too, benefits the wildlife in my opinion.  For your sake, I'd like to see a couple more areas like the Hell Gate areas that would be managed for trophy potential on a draw basis only for you guys.  Also, a couple lotto tags for deer/turkey for the white man would add quite a chunk change for the tribe.  Have it set up so you have to be accompanied by a tribal member.  Money in both pockets then.   

[meat_in_the_pot3]

Supposedly a big whitetail was taken in the same area.

ya it was taken in the same area, not actually all that far apart from each, that is actually father and son, and one of my good friends ive grown up with

[724wd]

Supposedly a big whitetail was taken in the same area.

that's a bruiser wt!   

[CoryTDF]

This is funny to me. I was just up in Okanogan for my late buck hunt and I met a guy in a bar that had all these pictures on his phone. I guess he knew the guy that had killed these deer and he had some other pictures of other monster bucks that had been taken as well. I say good for the hunters that shot them. A blind squirl finds a neut every now and again, but I think these bucks made the hunters work for them. No matter how they killed them they are great bucks and would look great on any wall.

[woodywsu]

I don't think you can credit management for this buck. 

Really?  And do you care to explain how you cannot credit their Big Game Management.  They have a good permit system and from what I know from my in-law they are very stringent on it.  Also from what I've learned from speaking with some Tribal Members from there at various meetings throughout the State they are very much involved in reporting and monitoring of harvested game due to their permit system. 

They take a very proactive role in monitoring it and from what i've listened to, heard and read it sounds like it is working wonders for them.

Sorry Meat, I started to type and then noticed you posted your comments and very well stated indeed.  Again, they have a good established game system and enforce it pretty good from what I'm told. 

All I can say is congrats to the hunter and this is one of the reasons (not the main reason for those of you that know) why I won't post any pics of any harvested animals on here (even though I've only harvest one animal this year and that's fine with me).

Seriously, how is a two bucks per day (or does part of the time) season that goes from June through December providing the "good" management that led to this buck.   I'm crediting this buck to great genetics, and living in a secure spot.

Great genetics, sercure spot, and I'm assuming some homework is what I would credit for this buck but I know nothing about the hunter. Not management. I'm not saying their management is horrible, but I will credit genetics and habitat before management and seasons. 

[Woodchuck]

Supposedly a big whitetail was taken in the same area.

ya it was taken in the same area, not actually all that far apart from each, that is actually father and son, and one of my good friends ive grown up with

Now that's a honey hole 

[UptheCreek]

Just cuz they are part of the Colville tribe does not mean they only hunt on the reservation.  I had two tribal guys walk within 35 yards of my stand while I was in it.  They went
over a ridge and started rattling.  Kinda was hoping they would call me a buck!!  This was the start of late bowseason this year and they were hunting with rifles.  Talked to them that
night and they can actually hunt from the rez all the way to the Canadian border if they want to.  Awesome for them.  Not so awesome for bowhunters....

[Pathfinder101]

Just cuz they are part of the Colville tribe does not mean they only hunt on the reservation.  I had two tribal guys walk within 35 yards of my stand while I was in it.  They went
over a ridge and started rattling.  Kinda was hoping they would call me a buck!!  This was the start of late bowseason this year and they were hunting with rifles.  Talked to them that
night and they can actually hunt from the rez all the way to the Canadian border if they want to.  Awesome for them.  Not so awesome for bowhunters....

You are correct.  It is called "The North Half".

[buckfvr]

At one time, the reservation went to the Canadian border......then gold was discovered and the government had a change of heart......shoved them south.   Same type of government, different time.