Bighorn vs. Disc Extreme

[gutsnthegrass]

I had picked up a Traditions Vortec for Christmas and began to disassemble it to clean all the machining oils from it when I noticed that it just didnt seem like it was built very well.  Cabela's took it back so now I am really looking at the Knight's.  I have read many of the threads on here about the Bighorn and I have read that Sabotloader is a big Disc Extreme fan.  After looking at there website, it looks like the only diference is in the action, is the Disc Extreme a little more sealed up from the elements, otherwise they appear to be very similiar.  Is it really worth the extra $100?

[Sabotloader]

I had picked up a Traditions Vortec for Christmas and began to disassemble it to clean all the machining oils from it when I noticed that it just didnt seem like it was built very well.  Cabela's took it back so now I am really looking at the Knight's.  I have read many of the threads on here about the Bighorn and I have read that Sabotloader is a big Disc Extreme fan.  After looking at there website, it looks like the only diference is in the action, is the Disc Extreme a little more sealed up from the elements, otherwise they appear to be very similiar. Is it really worth the extra $100?

Now you have to remember this is a totally biased opinion... but in my view there is whole different world avaialable to you with the Extreme vs. the Big Horn, and believe me I think the Big Horn is an excellent rifle.

The biggest reason I would strongly suggest an Extreme vs. the Big Horn is the versiltilty of the Extreme.  Your shooting options are really expanded.  Not only will the Extreme meet the strict requirements of the PAC Northwest states but it will allow you to hunt other places that allow a 209 scoped modern day muzzleloader.  In my case I use it during the regular rifle season here in Idaho and do not feel undergunned at all,  in fact I can not even tell you last time my 300 win mag or 270 have even seen the outdoors.

As you have already mentioned it is much better sealed against the elements, especialy if you get the correct #11 nipple and use #11 mag caps... but beyond that it is a much cleaner rifle - very little if any blow back material in the breech area.  I also believe it is a much stronger rifle, you can safetly shoot 150 grain loose powder loads, not sure why you want to but you could, since the Extreme is a true bolt blow back will not for the hammer back as it can in a plunger gun.

Another item is safety, even shooting caps, flying parts from the caps or 209 primers are contained in the breech area.  The hood on the bolt only allows a cap parts out the one side of the gun and 209 parts are contained in the breech plug...

OK I will quit - but remember I am baised...

mike

[teanawayslayer]

I own the disc and love it. Sabotloader pretty much has it covered. If you go with the disc you won't be disappointed

[coyotewallace]

I had picked up a Traditions Vortec for Christmas and began to disassemble it to clean all the machining oils from it when I noticed that it just didnt seem like it was built very well.  Cabela's took it back so now I am really looking at the Knight's.  I have read many of the threads on here about the Bighorn and I have read that Sabotloader is a big Disc Extreme fan.  After looking at there website, it looks like the only diference is in the action, is the Disc Extreme a little more sealed up from the elements, otherwise they appear to be very similiar.  Is it really worth the extra $100?

If you get over by the fairgrounds here in Puyallup....Shoot me a PM. I have a new Disc Extreme "CarbonKnight" Thumbhole with all the extras you can check out before you buy yourself one.

[Bearhunter]

Excellent thread guys, thanks for the great info.  I am in the market for a Knight as well and have been curious about the difference in the Disc extreme.  So the Disc Extreme is considered a complete open breech for WA strict laws?

[Sabotloader]

Excellent thread guys, thanks for the great info.  I am in the market for a Knight as well and have been curious about the difference in the Disc extreme.  So the Disc Extreme is considered a complete open breech for WA strict laws?

A DISC with a Western Kit installed is a legal ML rifle for Wash, Ore, and Idaho.

The western kit allows use of a cap (either #11 Mag or Musket) while meeting the exposed rule of the 3 states..

 

There is additional information in this thread...

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php?topic=75790.msg926548#msg926548

[coyotewallace]

Here is mine setup for 209's





 and now w/Peep for hunting Wa.

[Karl Blanchard]

how is the front fiber optic on the new Knights?  Seems all the manufacturers are going to the big fat orange front sight over a smaller (more accurate) one.

[Bearhunter]

Does anyone know if the Mountaineer will accept the NW kit to be legal in Washington?  Dont really see the difference between it and the Disc Extreme other than the fluted barrel and all stainless...

[Tegantunadog]

I have a Disc Extreme As well, Shoots Great.  Having the ability to Switch to a 209 might be a good thing because you never know what rules they may change in your home state. 

[Sabotloader]

Does anyone know if the Mountaineer will accept the NW kit to be legal in Washington?  Dont really see the difference between it and the Disc Extreme other than the fluted barrel and all stainless...

At this point there is not a Western Kit for the Mountaineer...

[teanawayslayer]

Hey sabotloader did you end up with the new disc? I see you had the ramp stile peep. The other style doesn't work on the rear holes. It doesn't allow the bolt to open all the way. I put mine further up in front of the bolt. Which defeats the purpose of getting it closer to your eye. Do you know if Williams is going to change it up for it will work on the rear holes?

[Sabotloader]

Hey sabotloader did you end up with the new disc?

I do have a Mountaineer, but not a new Extreme...

I see you had the ramp stile peep.

Must have been someone else - i do not have a ramp style peep... Coyotewallace has an interesting peep and base on his.

The other style doesn't work on the rear holes. It doesn't allow the bolt to open all the way. I put mine further up in front of the bolt. Which defeats the purpose of getting it closer to your eye. Do you know if Williams is going to change it up for it will work on the rear holes?

At this point I do not think Williams will do much about it until they are sure Knight is going to be around awhile... BUT...

I worked with someone else with this same concern and I THINK we worked it out to get the peep in the back scope mounts.

If you are willing to try an experiment or two give me a call.  Also right now with your gun sighted in which elevation graduation is the pointer - pointing to?  This makes a big difference... (Count the number of small graduation down from the top... like my MK is sighted in with the fixed pointer on the 5th elevation mark from the top... the mark just before the first long marker...

The Williams on my Big Horn is 9 marks down..  and if installed on a DISC the bolt handle would clear easily...

mike
208 882-4015 

[Wacenturion]

Have to chime in.  The Bighorn also allows for use in other states with the 209 system.  Merely change out the breech plug.  However don't know why one would want to.  Deer don't know the difference.  I have a couple Bighorns and a couple Wolverines and love em.  Still use my 1970's T/C Renegade as well.

Other than the nice looking carbon model on the disc, why would you want to spend the extra money.  Basically same gun. 

[Sabotloader]

Have to chime in.  The Bighorn also allows for use in other states with the 209 system.  Merely change out the breech plug.  However don't know why one would want to.  Deer don't know the difference.  I have a couple Bighorns and a couple Wolverines and love em.  Still use my 1970's T/C Renegade as well.

Other than the nice looking carbon model on the disc, why would you want to spend the extra money.  Basically same gun. 

You can change breech plugs and shoot 209's but then because of the design of the Big Horn series stand a good chance of getting a part of the 209 primer flying out of the breech plug/breech area lauched as a missle.

The difference is using a 'plunger type action' vs. a sealed breech area.

This set of pictures shows what I am discussing...

 

One thing I really do agree with... if you are shooting an open breech plunger gun... The Bighorn also allows for use in other states with the 209 system.  Merely change out the breech plug.  However don't know why one would want to. It is a heck of a lot safer shooting caps than 209's in this style gun.