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I live on the west side now. ever time i go home to hunt i see more and more coyotes, in 2008 i saw 12 in one pack. the bucks and all deer numbers has gone down.
sorry your logic behind your thoughts has not been proven in any state that has wolves right now.
Quote from: carpsniperg2 on February 19, 2012, 09:24:43 PM sorry your logic behind your thoughts has not been proven in any state that has wolves right now. Why is Prince of Wales Island near Ketchikan the premier Sitka Blacktail hunting location then? It is infested with wolves and black bears. Deer and salmon are the main source of food for those two species.It is estimated that 300-350 wolves live on the island. I've seen estimates of 10,000, that's right ten thousand black bears live on the island. Prince of Wales is about 2/3 the size of the Olympic Peninsula. If the wolf haters were correct about how much damage wolves do to cervids (not to mention bears), there wouldn't be a deer on Prince of Wales. But of course reality doesn't always live up to wild speculation.Another interesting fact is, on Prince of Wales Island, the biggest killer of deer fawns is black bears, not wolves, by a very large margin. I understand the real concern about farm animal predation. People should be able to protect their property. And problem animals should be dealt with swiftly and fatally.
Quote from: Sitka_Blacktail on February 21, 2012, 12:34:57 PMQuote from: carpsniperg2 on February 19, 2012, 09:24:43 PM sorry your logic behind your thoughts has not been proven in any state that has wolves right now. Why is Prince of Wales Island near Ketchikan the premier Sitka Blacktail hunting location then? It is infested with wolves and black bears. Deer and salmon are the main source of food for those two species.It is estimated that 300-350 wolves live on the island. I've seen estimates of 10,000, that's right ten thousand black bears live on the island. Prince of Wales is about 2/3 the size of the Olympic Peninsula. If the wolf haters were correct about how much damage wolves do to cervids (not to mention bears), there wouldn't be a deer on Prince of Wales. But of course reality doesn't always live up to wild speculation.Another interesting fact is, on Prince of Wales Island, the biggest killer of deer fawns is black bears, not wolves, by a very large margin. I understand the real concern about farm animal predation. People should be able to protect their property. And problem animals should be dealt with swiftly and fatally. Different habitat and different hunting pressure
Quote from: jdurham on February 18, 2012, 10:07:05 AMhttp://www.americanhunter.org/ArticlePage.aspx?id=2121&cid=47Here's a couple quotes from this article."During the past 100 years, however, coyotes colonized North America's eastern corridor after gray wolves and red wolves were exterminated." "That's because scientific research from eastern Canada to the southeastern U.S. shows coyote predation on fawns kill more deer than herds can replace in some areas."This is what I've been saying about wolves helping deer populations. Wolves hit coyote populations hard. They don't tolerate competition from other canines. The fawns they save from coyotes will more than make up for the deer they kill themselves. Personally, I'd rather have a half dozen to a dozen wolves in an area than a thousand coyotes. Besides fawns, game bird populations would increase too.This is the good that wolves can do that many refuse to accept.
http://www.americanhunter.org/ArticlePage.aspx?id=2121&cid=47
Quote from: Sitka_Blacktail on February 19, 2012, 07:02:36 PMQuote from: jdurham on February 18, 2012, 10:07:05 AMhttp://www.americanhunter.org/ArticlePage.aspx?id=2121&cid=47Here's a couple quotes from this article."During the past 100 years, however, coyotes colonized North America's eastern corridor after gray wolves and red wolves were exterminated." "That's because scientific research from eastern Canada to the southeastern U.S. shows coyote predation on fawns kill more deer than herds can replace in some areas."This is what I've been saying about wolves helping deer populations. Wolves hit coyote populations hard. They don't tolerate competition from other canines. The fawns they save from coyotes will more than make up for the deer they kill themselves. Personally, I'd rather have a half dozen to a dozen wolves in an area than a thousand coyotes. Besides fawns, game bird populations would increase too.This is the good that wolves can do that many refuse to accept.Sorry so late..... But you're joking right?!!!!!!! I sure hope so.... That's as close to comparing 1000 deer to half a dozen elk.... Minus the fact they don't eat each other.... POINTLESS!!!!
Hey, carpsniper said my theory has never been proved out anywhere. I pointed out that it has. Every time I point out that wolves don't wipe out their prey, somebody says ohhh but that's different. I'll tell you the difference there, they get a heck of a lot more snow and that makes the deer more vulnerable. That should tip the balance to the predators even farther.[b] But it doesn't.[/b]You'd be surprised at the hunting pressure on POW. There are lots of roads and the limit is 4 deer per year. You have never seen snow crust over?? The deer break through and can't out run a dog let alone a coyote or a wolf. They run up along side bite the belley and rip it open. So Pa Ben why are you so in favor of the non native Grey wolf being introduced to Washington?