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Yote season is still open.... Better get some down before they start dropping fawns....
I am hoping to remove 20 yotes between now and May where I hunt for blacktails on the coast. A lot of big dogs have been showing up and need to be delt with.
Elusivewildlife.com.........XLR 250 mounts atop your scope, guaranteed to light them up out to 250 yards....Your choice of lens colors, read some good reviews, found for about 140 bucks, which is less expensive than many of the others. Im thinking 6-24X50 with target turrets, and maybe 6.5 Creedmoor.....or something on those lines. A true long range heavy barrel coyote gun that can also handle whitetail out there on the next ridge.......
I have been considering the 6.5x284. It is making some pretty impressive 1000 yard groups at competitions. The BC of the 6.5 is about as good as you get. Savage makes a great gun chambered for that round. Accustock and Accutrigger. I believe it is the 10/110 predator model. Just over $900.
Quote from: buckfvr on February 18, 2012, 04:58:38 PMElusivewildlife.com.........XLR 250 mounts atop your scope, guaranteed to light them up out to 250 yards....Your choice of lens colors, read some good reviews, found for about 140 bucks, which is less expensive than many of the others. Im thinking 6-24X50 with target turrets, and maybe 6.5 Creedmoor.....or something on those lines. A true long range heavy barrel coyote gun that can also handle whitetail out there on the next ridge.......That's the same light I was looking at, and same website. Did a little research on predatormasters.com and that's the one that seems to be getting all the favorable reviews. I don't want to spend the money right now but by next winter I'll have one.
http://www.americanhunter.org/ArticlePage.aspx?id=2121&cid=47
I know it's hard to understand, but some day it may all make sense to you guys.
"The fawns they save from coyotes will more than make up for the deer they kill themselves."Thanks I needed a good laugh, havent had one like that in a long time!!!Wolves helping deer fawns Now that's funny
I am sure all the sportsman in Idaho agree with you sitka, They are kicking there hills up because the yote population is gone and the deer numbers are better then ever You know how much meat your wolves take to survive? I know yotes very well and spent a lot of time around them and hunting them. They do not eat fawns and deer 24/7 like the wolf does. How many wolves will mouse out in my fields to feed themselves? How many will turn my sheep into a food source or my cattle? everyone given the chance. I knock the hell out of the yotes in my area and they are even getting harder to find. In the area that does not have cats. The deer numbers are very good and the yote population is lower. Throw wolves into the mix when there is no elk in my area and guess what is going to get ate 24/7! I would bet for every one deer a yote kills a wolf kills 50+ sorry your logic behind your thoughts has not been proven in any state that has wolves right now. Washington will not be any different then the others. Our moose sheep mtn goats elk deer and livestock will be the main food source for wolves not mice and birds like the yotes Nice try though
Quote from: jdurham on February 18, 2012, 10:07:05 AMhttp://www.americanhunter.org/ArticlePage.aspx?id=2121&cid=47Here's a couple quotes from this article."During the past 100 years, however, coyotes colonized North America's eastern corridor after gray wolves and red wolves were exterminated." "That's because scientific research from eastern Canada to the southeastern U.S. shows coyote predation on fawns kill more deer than herds can replace in some areas."This is what I've been saying about wolves helping deer populations. Wolves hit coyote populations hard. They don't tolerate competition from other canines. The fawns they save from coyotes will more than make up for the deer they kill themselves. Personally, I'd rather have a half dozen to a dozen wolves in an area than a thousand coyotes. Besides fawns, game bird populations would increase too.This is the good that wolves can do that many refuse to accept.
Yep! Hell at least when ever I lost any livestock to yotes "which has been very few over the years" I could go on a killing spree and thin them a little. With the wolves I would just get to sit and wait for tiny check for reimbursement! if!!! there was to even be funding for it. Then when they come back all I get to do is go collect another carcase or 2. Hell there has been packs in Montana that use to do killing sprees on livestock all the time. Get into a big flock of sheep and kill tons every night just for fun and the thrill of it. Shredded guard dogs and then go have a little fun killing with a full belly. Piss on the wolves being brought back we had a plenty healthy ecosystem without them here. There is a reason they were killed off because they are good for nothing! There is enough dang predators here already to take care of the "weak and old" haha my a$$. People always try to twist it into, oh they will help! What are they helping in any of the other states? is the fawn survival rate threw the roof? haha yeah right. Is the elk numbers booming? haha yeah right! Is the coyote population wiped out? hahaha yeah right. Is there no predation on livestock? hahahaha yeah right! Go try to pawn your wasted twisted info on some other people that don't have a brain. Not real sportsmen that understand the truth like we have on this site.
I live on the west side now. ever time i go home to hunt i see more and more coyotes, in 2008 i saw 12 in one pack. the bucks and all deer numbers has gone down.
sorry your logic behind your thoughts has not been proven in any state that has wolves right now.
Quote from: carpsniperg2 on February 19, 2012, 09:24:43 PM sorry your logic behind your thoughts has not been proven in any state that has wolves right now. Why is Prince of Wales Island near Ketchikan the premier Sitka Blacktail hunting location then? It is infested with wolves and black bears. Deer and salmon are the main source of food for those two species.It is estimated that 300-350 wolves live on the island. I've seen estimates of 10,000, that's right ten thousand black bears live on the island. Prince of Wales is about 2/3 the size of the Olympic Peninsula. If the wolf haters were correct about how much damage wolves do to cervids (not to mention bears), there wouldn't be a deer on Prince of Wales. But of course reality doesn't always live up to wild speculation.Another interesting fact is, on Prince of Wales Island, the biggest killer of deer fawns is black bears, not wolves, by a very large margin. I understand the real concern about farm animal predation. People should be able to protect their property. And problem animals should be dealt with swiftly and fatally.
Quote from: Sitka_Blacktail on February 21, 2012, 12:34:57 PMQuote from: carpsniperg2 on February 19, 2012, 09:24:43 PM sorry your logic behind your thoughts has not been proven in any state that has wolves right now. Why is Prince of Wales Island near Ketchikan the premier Sitka Blacktail hunting location then? It is infested with wolves and black bears. Deer and salmon are the main source of food for those two species.It is estimated that 300-350 wolves live on the island. I've seen estimates of 10,000, that's right ten thousand black bears live on the island. Prince of Wales is about 2/3 the size of the Olympic Peninsula. If the wolf haters were correct about how much damage wolves do to cervids (not to mention bears), there wouldn't be a deer on Prince of Wales. But of course reality doesn't always live up to wild speculation.Another interesting fact is, on Prince of Wales Island, the biggest killer of deer fawns is black bears, not wolves, by a very large margin. I understand the real concern about farm animal predation. People should be able to protect their property. And problem animals should be dealt with swiftly and fatally. Different habitat and different hunting pressure
Quote from: Sitka_Blacktail on February 19, 2012, 07:02:36 PMQuote from: jdurham on February 18, 2012, 10:07:05 AMhttp://www.americanhunter.org/ArticlePage.aspx?id=2121&cid=47Here's a couple quotes from this article."During the past 100 years, however, coyotes colonized North America's eastern corridor after gray wolves and red wolves were exterminated." "That's because scientific research from eastern Canada to the southeastern U.S. shows coyote predation on fawns kill more deer than herds can replace in some areas."This is what I've been saying about wolves helping deer populations. Wolves hit coyote populations hard. They don't tolerate competition from other canines. The fawns they save from coyotes will more than make up for the deer they kill themselves. Personally, I'd rather have a half dozen to a dozen wolves in an area than a thousand coyotes. Besides fawns, game bird populations would increase too.This is the good that wolves can do that many refuse to accept.Sorry so late..... But you're joking right?!!!!!!! I sure hope so.... That's as close to comparing 1000 deer to half a dozen elk.... Minus the fact they don't eat each other.... POINTLESS!!!!
Hey, carpsniper said my theory has never been proved out anywhere. I pointed out that it has. Every time I point out that wolves don't wipe out their prey, somebody says ohhh but that's different. I'll tell you the difference there, they get a heck of a lot more snow and that makes the deer more vulnerable. That should tip the balance to the predators even farther.[b] But it doesn't.[/b]You'd be surprised at the hunting pressure on POW. There are lots of roads and the limit is 4 deer per year. You have never seen snow crust over?? The deer break through and can't out run a dog let alone a coyote or a wolf. They run up along side bite the belley and rip it open. So Pa Ben why are you so in favor of the non native Grey wolf being introduced to Washington?